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Author Topic: Was the Denzinger tampered with?  (Read 4731 times)

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Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2020, 10:01:53 PM »
I read that in 1965 the Denzinger were updated to include canons that justified ecuмenism with the
Protestants and non-Catholic sects inline with Vatican 2.   The canons that condemned ecuмenism were removed.
Trouble is ecuмenism has always been condemned by the church and I would avoid like the plaque the 1965
and newer versions of the Denzinger.


Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2020, 10:21:49 PM »
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Yes, thank you, I saw that. But I'm curious why it was omitted? And what does this proposition mean that the Church of the city of Rome cannot err? Then what is Vatican 2?
Bumping this...

Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2020, 07:17:30 AM »
There is nothing new in churchmen altering the records when it suits them. How about this:  In the same Denzinger's The Sources of Catholic Dogma (400-1950) there are recorded in detail 35 decrees issued by the Holy Office from 1602 to 1949: 

So, what was the Holy Office of 1616? Well in the wake of the Protestant rebellion, Pope Paul III (1534-1549) set up various congregations to assist the popes in their task of safeguarding the apostolic faith held ‘in agreement with Sacred Scripture and apostolic tradition.’ One of the most important of these was the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Inquisition, otherwise known as the Congregation of the Holy Office, set up in 1542. The function of this body was specifically to maintain and defend the integrity of the faith, to examine and proscribe errors and false doctrines by way of the censorship of books etc., but most of all to combat heresy at the highest level.

Now history records that in 1616, the same Holy Office issued decrees that defined a heresy, but these are not recorded among the 35. When did they disappear, in 1835 when they did a U-turn and hid the heresy because it was embarrising for them. There is, as the Bible says, nothing new under the sun that has not gone before.

Re: Was the Denzinger tampered with?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2021, 06:04:47 PM »
The Denzinger was not tampered with. While the apostate modernist Karl Rahner edited some editions, the removal of 730 predates his editing of it.

The reason why #730 was removed was due to the fact that the errors of Peter de Osma were first condemned by an assembly of Divines and Canon Lawyers convoked by the Archbishop of Toledo in 1479. One of the propositions of Peter de Osma that was condemned was "Ecclesia urbis Romae errare potest."

However Pope Sixtus IV in his Bull Licet Ea confirmed the decisions of the assembly while leaving out proposition VII "Ecclesia urbis Romae errare potest." The old Denzinger and the more recent revisions all use the Bull of Sixtus IV as the source of the condemnation of Peter de Osma. This is the error of the old Denzinger which was corrected by later revisions. The old Denzinger attributed the condemnation of proposition VII to the Sixtus IV's Bull which in reality did not confirm the error of this proposition by the original assembly condemning Peter de Osma. Therefore it was rightfully removed from recent editions of the Denzinger for this reason because it cannot be attributed to Sixtus IV like the rest of the condemned propositions of Peter de Osma.