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Do You Believe It Likely That Siri Was Ever Pope

No
He was elected but never accepted the office
Yes, for a few minutes until a couple of weeks
Yes, until he went along with tthe Novus Ordo changes
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WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
« on: December 05, 2019, 09:36:10 AM »
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    The more pertinent question would be was he ever pope at all.  That it is possible he was elected and accepted the office we grant as certain.  For the purpose of this writing we allow that he was elected and accepted the office though I must stress that we cannot be certain that this is the case either regarding his election or acceptance.  What we can be certain of is that strange things went on at the various conclaves especially at the most important one of our times which was held in October of 1958.  The entire spectrum on the issue from those who are wed to the theory as if it was an article of faith through those who are open to the possibility to those who doubt the Holy Ghost could have allowed such a thing to occur regarding something so vital in regards to the existence of Holy Mother Church can agree that it is at least possible that Siri was elected and accepted the office and was then intimidated into removing himself.  There is no doctrine that I am aware of that says such an occurrence is impossible.  This is an objective look at the theory, but as an aside I believe he was elected and I am pretty sure he accepted the office, but this is just an opinion, mere speculation. 

    What I look to answer here is whether he in fact maintained the office of the papacy, again supposing he was elected, until the day of his death.

    The answer can be none other than an emphatic “no”. 

    The reason being is because he was a public heretic.  He publicly approved of Vatican II and offered the Novus Ordo Missae until the day he died.  He also publicly acknowledged the public heretics Roncalli/John XXIII, Montini/Paul VI, Luciani/John Paul I, and Wojtyla/John Paul II to be Popes.  Siri signed the heretical Vatican II docuмents never to repudiate the counsel as Lefebvre, Thuc and Mayer did.  The above Catholic bishops spoke out against the counsel and new Mass repeatedly and would have been willing to die rather than betray the faith as all Catholics must.     

    What is more realistic, if Siri was in fact elected, would be that he would have simply retired, perhaps within a couple of weeks after being bullied into stepping aside.  Perhaps when he was bullied into stepping aside. 

    Looking at “THE NEW CANON LAW – A Commentary and Summary of the New Code of Canon Law” by Rev. Stanislaus Woywod, O.F.M. with the Imprimi Potest given by Fr. Edward Blecke, O.F.M. July 1, 1918 and the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur given by Arther J. Scanlan, S.T.D. and John Cardinal Farley respectively on July 3, 1918 has the following commentary:

    “If the Roman Pontiff should resign his office, it is not necessary for validity that the Cardinals or any others accept the renunciation.”  (Canon 221)

    But there is no doubt he lost his office, if he ever held it, by heresy if he did not retire. In either of these scenarios “John 23”, so the theory goes, would not have been a valid pope because he would have been elected after the true pope was intimidated into stepping aside rendering the next election invalid.  This too is speculation, as despite his being suspected of modernism by the Holy Office no one that I know of claimed he was a manifest heretic at the time of his election.  The blame for John 23 becoming “pope” would be on Siri for stepping aside after accepting the office. For if Siri remained Pope as God intended, supposing the theory is true, we would never have seen the likes of Roncalli.   

    Is It Possible Our Lord Told Him “To Go Along With It”?

    I heard this from one who is a courageous defender of truth and, if I am not mistaken, is also rather attached to the Siri theory as being the key to the great apostacy.  [The key to the great apostacy is the infiltration of the Catholic Church from within].  That is, her idea was that Siri could very well have had an apparition telling him “to go along with” what the Communistic Masonic Jєωs wanted him to go along with.  This to justify his avoiding the obvious Catholic solution to his dilemma by doing the right thing and living or dying with the result.  I’m the pope and will not allow you to intimidate me into rejecting the call of God and betraying the entire Church even if it means the Vatican will be blown up.  It is my great hope that I misunderstood her, but in case I am not the only one who came to this conclusion based upon what she said I shall elaborate as to why such a thought is patently false. 

     And not rather (as we are slandered, and as some affirm that we say) let us do evil, that there may come good? Whose damnation is just.  Romans 3: 8. 

    Saint Thomas Aquinas comments on this chapter in “The Patristic Bible Commentary”.  Regarding the above verse where the fact that the apostles were blasphemed, as if preaching that men should do evil in order that good be obtained, he states the following:

    “This would follow, if man’s falsehood directly commended God’s grace and truth.  Therefore, he says: and why not do evil by sinning and teaching falsehood, that good may come, i.e., that God’s truth and justice be commended, as some people slanderously charge us:  “When slandered, we try to conciliate” (1 Corinthians 4: 13) with saying by twisting our words:  “Which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3: 16).  He rejects these inconveniences when he says, Their condemnation is just, i.e., those who do evil that good may come.  For just as it is not correct to deduce truth from falsity, so it is wrong to reach a good end through evil means: “Why does the way of the wicked prosper?  Why do all who are treacherous thrive?”  (Jeremias 12: 1).  Or their, namely, those who accuse us of this falsely, condemnation is just.  For perverters of sacred doctrine are justly condemned: “If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book” (Apocalypse 22: 18).

    That one cannot do evil to obtain a good is basic Catholic teaching.  For instance, in the book “Moral Theology A Complete Course Based on St. Thomas Aquinas and the Best Modern Authorities”, by John A. McHugh and Charles J. Callan, Imprimatur given May 24, 1958 we have the following:

    An act is likewise called entirely bad, when one or more of its elements are of themselves good or indifferent, but when there is an element which is evil and which neutralizes or transforms the good.  This happens in various ways:

    (a) when the object is evil, and the purpose is good, as when one steals in order to pay one’s debts.  The good end is wished only as obtainable through a wicked means, and thus ceases to be good;

    Once elected and after having accepted the office of the papacy it is incuмbent upon you to do what God has appointed you to do.  That is to safeguard the Faith as well as authoritatively and infallibly explain it.  Quite obviously, abandoning your post and leaving the Catholic faithful in the hands of communistic masonic devils is a betrayal of the Faith in the grandest of ways.  We may consider that the intimidators may not have followed up on their threat.  But if they tried to, much like God prevented the rebuilding of the temple He may have prevented the threat from being successful.  Failing that, Siri would have preserved his soul and saved the Church. 

    Stating this bald truth along with the fact that Siri offered the Novus Ordo Mass and acknowledged the enemies of the Church as the Vicars of Christ is considered “mudslinging” by one wed to this theory.  If Siri gets a pass then perhaps Paul VI, JP2 and the rest should get the same pass. 

    What Can We Be Certain About?

    We can be certain that the Vatican 2 papal claimants are/were not pope.  We can be certain that one who accepted Vatican 2 and the new Mass as Siri did, was not pope. 

    In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity We enact, determine, decree and define:] that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:

    (i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;

    (ii) it shall not be possible for it to acquire validity (nor for it to be said that it has thus acquired validity) through the acceptance of the office, of consecration, of subsequent authority, nor through possession of administration, nor through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff, or Veneration, or obedience accorded to such by all, nor through the lapse of any period of time in the foregoing situation;

    (iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way;

    (iv) to any so promoted to be Bishops, or Archbishops, or Patriarchs, or Primates or elevated as Cardinals, or as Roman Pontiff, no authority shall have been granted, nor shall it be considered to have been so granted either in the spiritual or the temporal domain;

    (v) each and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone;

    (vi) those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power.  [Pope Paul IV – cuм Ex Apostolatus 1559]

     Now the fifth true opinion, is that a Pope who is a manifest heretic, ceases in himself to be Pope and head, just as he ceases in himself to be a Christian and member of the body of the Church: whereby, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics soon [mox — better translation: immediately] lose all jurisdiction, and namely St. Cyprian who speaks on Novation, who was a Pope in schism with Cornelius: “He cannot hold the Episcopacy, although he was a bishop first, he fell from the body of his fellow bishops and from the unity of the Church”. There he means that Novation, even if he was a true and legitimate Pope; still would have fallen from the pontificate by himself, if he separated himself from the Church. The same is the opinion of the learned men of our age, as John Driedo teaches, those who are cast out as excommunicates, or leave on their own and oppose the Church are separated from it, namely heretics and schismatics. He adds in the same work, that no spiritual power remains in them, who have departed from the Church, over those who are in the Church. Melchior Cano teaches the same thing, when he says that heretics are not part of the Church, nor members, and he adds in the last Chapter, 12th argument, that someone cannot even be informed in thought, that he should be head and Pope, who is not a member nor a part, and he teaches the same thing in eloquent words, that secret heretics are still in the Church and are parts and members, and that a secretly heretical Pope is still Pope. Others teach the same, whom we cite in Book 1 of de Ecclesia. The foundation of this opinion is that a manifest heretic, is in no way a member of the Church; that is, neither in spirit nor in body, or by internal union nor external. For even wicked Catholics are united and are members, in spirit through faith and in body through the confession of faith, and the participation of the visible Sacraments. Secret heretics are united and are members, but only by an external union: just as on the other hand, good Catechumens are in the Church only by an internal union but not an external one. Manifest heretics by no union, as has been proved.  [Saint and Doctor of The Church Robert Bellarmine – De Romano Pontifice – 1610]

    “If however, God were to permit a pope to become a notoriously and contumacious heretic he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant.” [Saint and Doctor of the Church Alphonsus Liguori (died 1787) – Verita bella Fede]

    The above is certain.  With the Siri Theory we have ideas and speculation which, pardon the redundancy, may or may not be true but is not essential to explaining our current situation.  The divine law that a public heretic cannot legitimately hold ecclesiastical office explained above explains our current situation.  As Saint Alphonsus explained when there is no pope occupying the chair – the chair is vacant, regardless of who claims to occupy it.  That is where we get the term “sede vacante” from.  That term meaning the “chair” or “seat” is “empty” or “vacant” perfectly explains that no valid pope sits on it.  Only a valid pope i.e. a Catholic duly elected can occupy the chair. 

    There is going to be a great reckoning.  With each passing blasphemy, heresy, apostacy and sacrilege coming out of Rome under the guise of “Catholicism” we have less and less of an excuse to claim ignorance.  We must pick a side and it is either the side of the goats or the sheep.  When we are judged there is no pretending, obfuscation or lying.   We will be seen as we are.  Willfully blind for the sake of comfort or convenience; or accepting the undeniable facts. 

    When you deal with uncertainties and combine it with pride the door is open to incredible pettiness.  For instance, objecting to the idea that Siri was pope until he died was treated in a very contemptuous and therefore uncatholic manner. 

    When objections were raised to the idea that Siri was pope until the day he died (without Siri knowing he was pope mind you) I unleashed a diatribe from the man wed to the theory as if the salvation of his soul depends on it that I previously thought would be reserved for the devil.  We were accused of not being who we said we were, pretending to be each other, a real piece of work, wannabe, goombah (this word is new to my vocabulary – meaning – an associate or accomplice, especially a senior member of a criminal gang), completely missing points which we completely understood, phantom experts, and he seemed to think we believed the conciliar leaders were actual popes.  A polite objection led to a tirade.  I likened it to be being in the stands and asking a vendor for a coke with the response being “Here’s your damn coke!”  Thump.  Waking up an hour later to find he threw a brick at my head. 

    I tried again (the thump by the brick making me stupid enough to do so I guess) asking if Siri seemed to fit the definition of a valid pope given by the theologians.  You would think grown-up Catholics would be able to have a polite back and forth, but this led again to me being accused of not being who I claim to be (this guy is really into cօռspιʀαcιҽs).  Then I was given a thorough explanation on how stupid and unqualified I am compared to him, that I had animus against him, and he explained, as if I didn’t know, that he didn’t cause the problem of this great apostacy, followed by accusing me of snide cheap shots, being of ill-will, irrelevant and unintelligible.  Lastly, I was asked who we are working for as if I was a double agent trying to undermine the Church and he used a quote by Malachi Martin for support of all people! 

    Mind you this is a discussion with someone I basically agree with.  Someone I thought could clarify or have the basic humility to admit he does not have the answer or that I have made a good point or, not unlike even the Fonz on occasion, being w-w-wrong in some conclusion which he deduces from the theory and or from actual facts.

    Then in his next interview he relied heavily on the heretic Leonard Feeney for his theory and suggested that Feeney may have been the victim of a kangaroo court!  That would be the court under Pius XII when Feeney in blatant disobedience to the Pope, (another do evil – disobey the pope, so that “good” may come – he won’t be proven undeniably wrong on his new teaching, that there is no salvation apart from water i.e. sacramental baptism) refused a free trip to Rome to defend his position.  I will add that what Feeney wrote on the issue seemed correct and certainly plausible. So, I’m politely asking for clarification on the theory from a man who at least seems to believe Siri stayed pope, despite being as novus ordo as the other anti-popes, until he died; and a man who also seems to be a Feeneyite sympathizer.  Perhaps I should not have been surprised and disappointed in his responses.      

    Therefore, we need to be wed to certainties and pose speculations as speculations rather than the reverse.  We can never consider ourselves to be the be all and end all of all unsettled and unproven debate as if we are the legitimate Vicar of Christ on earth.  We cannot allow our enormous pride to cause us to belittle anyone who dares disagree with what you conclude about your speculations and ideas.  And we cannot give a large audience even the idea that perhaps it was laudable of Siri, to deny his duty to God and the world, and ultimately to deny the faith in the following years for the sake of convenience, or that Our Lady and or Our Lord would appear to him and tell to “go along with” what the devil’s dupes wanted him to do.  We cannot pretend that it is okay to do evil to obtain a good even if doing good and avoiding evil would come at the cost of the entire population.  This is basic Catholic doctrine.  We can’t pretend that a public heretic can be pope even if his last name is Siri.  We preach “death rather than sin”, not “sin rather than death.” 

    To conclude I believe the man who believes I’m someone else, and relies on Feeney for support and seemingly thinks Feeney could have been unjustly excommunicated under Pius XII, and who invents reasons to be highly offended if someone dares to disagree with him and seems to think that Siri was pope until he died despite not knowing he was pope and despite being a heretic, actually has uncovered a lot of truth.  There is no doubt that the enemies of Christ have conspired against his Church from the beginning and that the best way to do it, since they can do nothing to Christ Himself or His Most Holy Mother, is to attack the papacy.  My only advice to this highly sensitive, insecure and vicious individual would be to beg God for the grace to act in a Catholic manner when someone raises an objection against what you prefer to believe.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #1 on: December 05, 2019, 10:10:22 AM »
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  • If Siri desired to be pope, then God would’ve given him this grace, because God can do anything.  He is not bound by conclave rules, nor physical proofs, nor even if another already sits in the papal chair.  The desire for God’s will trumps all. 


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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #2 on: December 05, 2019, 11:07:34 AM »
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  • The reason being is because he was a public heretic.  He publicly approved of Vatican II and offered the Novus Ordo Missae until the day he died.  He also publicly acknowledged the public heretics Roncalli/John XXIII, Montini/Paul VI, Luciani/John Paul I, and Wojtyla/John Paul II to be Popes. 

    Utter nonsense.  There's no indication that Cardinal/Pope Siri was a pertinacious heretic.  If he accepted Vatican II or the NOM to some extent, he was most likely in material error only.  It's ridiculous to put someone like Cardinal Siri ... or even a modern-day type like Athanasius Schneider into the bucket of pretinacious heretics is ridiculous.  This is the kind of thinking that rightly turns people off to sedevacantism.

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #3 on: December 05, 2019, 11:15:13 AM »
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  • For one, you use completely equivocal terms like to "accept" Vatican II and the New Mass.

    If one has a bit of an R&R perpective, then "accepting" the Council does not mean accepting everything in every docuмent as being Catholic.

    Then, there's nothing heretical per se about "accepting" the New Mass.  No one has ever found explicit heresy in it.  It's defective mostly by omission.

    Was there even a single quote in this article quoting Siri as saying something heretical?

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #4 on: December 05, 2019, 12:14:43 PM »
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  • Do you have a permanent scowl on your face.  You strike me as being in a state of perpetual irritation. 
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #5 on: December 05, 2019, 12:57:17 PM »
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  • Utter nonsense.  There's no indication that Cardinal/Pope Siri was a pertinacious heretic.  If he accepted Vatican II or the NOM to some extent, he was most likely in material error only.  It's ridiculous to put someone like Cardinal Siri ... or even a modern-day type like Athanasius Schneider into the bucket of pretinacious heretics is ridiculous.  This is the kind of thinking that rightly turns people off to sedevacantism.
    First and last response to you on this issue:

    You could say the same thing about the Lutherans down the street. At the end of the day these people are not professing Roman Catholicism.  

    We are not to presume ignorance where such ignorance would constitute a dereliction of duty.

    Now I order you to get the last word with a scowl and make some more disparaging barf worthy remarks.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #6 on: December 05, 2019, 01:07:35 PM »
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  • You could say the same thing about the Lutherans down the street. At the end of the day these people are not professing Roman Catholicism.  

    False.  Lutherans are in formal error and not merely material error.  Material heretics are those Catholics who hold the Church to be their rule of faith but are mistaken about WHAT the Church happens to teach about a particular matter.  Lutherans cannot qualify as material heretics because they do not hold the Catholic Church to be their rule of faith.  They do not have the proper formal rule of faith, and are therefore formal heretics.

    Your claim that every single person who remains in the Novus Ordo is a heretic and outside the Church is utterly preposterous.

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #7 on: December 05, 2019, 01:08:04 PM »
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  • Do you have a permanent scowl on your face.  You strike me as being in a state of perpetual irritation.

    It's preposterous to write an article accusing Siri of being a heretic without even quoting Siri as saying anything heretical.


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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #8 on: December 05, 2019, 01:14:15 PM »
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  • Now to those of good will and mentally  balanced I will say the following:

    There is of course a grey area here.  The difficulty is that the heresies that are flourishing today were apparently promulgated by the very rule of Faith that we must adhere to.  Now pertinacity is a willful rebellion against the rule of Faith.  So we have a unique situation here and I would agree that you can't accuse every single bishop in 1966 of the sin of heresy simply for assenting to Vatican 2.  At the same time, it has been decades now of seeing the conciliar apostasy unfold.  Ambiguities have been resolved in favor of heterodoxy, and they're at the point now of declaring that God has willed the diversity of religions.  At some point you can simply no longer accept these people as Roman Catholics, regardless of whether they're personally pertinacious.

    Exactly where that line is that must be crossed, I don't know.  But it's definitely been crossed by now.

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #9 on: December 05, 2019, 01:18:31 PM »
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  • The main point of my article, people of good will, is that it was suggested on a podcast the Siri had a divine revelation to go along with what the Church enemies wanted him to do and stay quiet so God could see which side everyone was on.  There is this idea of making him some sort of martyr when he coward and allowed John 23 to come out on the balcony.  And the idea that God would willfully inspire evil is preposterous.  I do not know how you can say caving and going along with the evil, shirking your responsibility as pope to God and man was not an evil act.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #10 on: December 05, 2019, 02:00:21 PM »
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  • WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?


    The more pertinent question would be was he ever pope at all.  That it is possible he was elected and accepted the office we grant as certain.  For the purpose of this writing we allow that he was elected and accepted the office though I must stress that we cannot be certain that this is the case either regarding his election or acceptance.  What we can be certain of is that strange things went on at the various conclaves especially at the most important one of our times which was held in October of 1958.  The entire spectrum on the issue from those who are wed to the theory as if it was an article of faith through those who are open to the possibility to those who doubt the Holy Ghost could have allowed such a thing to occur regarding something so vital in regards to the existence of Holy Mother Church can agree that it is at least possible that Siri was elected and accepted the office and was then intimidated into removing himself.  There is no doctrine that I am aware of that says such an occurrence is impossible.  This is an objective look at the theory, but as an aside I believe he was elected and I am pretty sure he accepted the office, but this is just an opinion, mere speculation.

    What I look to answer here is whether he in fact maintained the office of the papacy, again supposing he was elected, until the day of his death.

    The answer can be none other than an emphatic “no”.

    The reason being is because he was a public heretic.  He publicly approved of Vatican II and offered the Novus Ordo Missae until the day he died.  He also publicly acknowledged the public heretics Roncalli/John XXIII, Montini/Paul VI, Luciani/John Paul I, and Wojtyla/John Paul II to be Popes.  Siri signed the heretical Vatican II docuмents never to repudiate the counsel as Lefebvre, Thuc and Mayer did.  The above Catholic bishops spoke out against the counsel and new Mass repeatedly and would have been willing to die rather than betray the faith as all Catholics must.    

    What is more realistic, if Siri was in fact elected, would be that he would have simply retired, perhaps within a couple of weeks after being bullied into stepping aside.  Perhaps when he was bullied into stepping aside.

    Looking at “THE NEW CANON LAW – A Commentary and Summary of the New Code of Canon Law” by Rev. Stanislaus Woywod, O.F.M. with the Imprimi Potest given by Fr. Edward Blecke, O.F.M. July 1, 1918 and the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur given by Arther J. Scanlan, S.T.D. and John Cardinal Farley respectively on July 3, 1918 has the following commentary:

    “If the Roman Pontiff should resign his office, it is not necessary for validity that the Cardinals or any others accept the renunciation.”  (Canon 221)

    But there is no doubt he lost his office, if he ever held it, by heresy if he did not retire. In either of these scenarios “John 23”, so the theory goes, would not have been a valid pope because he would have been elected after the true pope was intimidated into stepping aside rendering the next election invalid.  This too is speculation, as despite his being suspected of modernism by the Holy Office no one that I know of claimed he was a manifest heretic at the time of his election.  The blame for John 23 becoming “pope” would be on Siri for stepping aside after accepting the office. For if Siri remained Pope as God intended, supposing the theory is true, we would never have seen the likes of Roncalli.  

    Is It Possible Our Lord Told Him “To Go Along With It”?

    I heard this from one who is a courageous defender of truth and, if I am not mistaken, is also rather attached to the Siri theory as being the key to the great apostacy.  [The key to the great apostacy is the infiltration of the Catholic Church from within].  That is, her idea was that Siri could very well have had an apparition telling him “to go along with” what the Communistic Masonic Jєωs wanted him to go along with.  This to justify his avoiding the obvious Catholic solution to his dilemma by doing the right thing and living or dying with the result.  I’m the pope and will not allow you to intimidate me into rejecting the call of God and betraying the entire Church even if it means the Vatican will be blown up.  It is my great hope that I misunderstood her, but in case I am not the only one who came to this conclusion based upon what she said I shall elaborate as to why such a thought is patently false.

     And not rather (as we are slandered, and as some affirm that we say) let us do evil, that there may come good? Whose damnation is just.  Romans 3: 8.

    Saint Thomas Aquinas comments on this chapter in “The Patristic Bible Commentary”.  Regarding the above verse where the fact that the apostles were blasphemed, as if preaching that men should do evil in order that good be obtained, he states the following:

    “This would follow, if man’s falsehood directly commended God’s grace and truth.  Therefore, he says: and why not do evil by sinning and teaching falsehood, that good may come, i.e., that God’s truth and justice be commended, as some people slanderously charge us:  “When slandered, we try to conciliate” (1 Corinthians 4: 13) with saying by twisting our words:  “Which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3: 16).  He rejects these inconveniences when he says, Their condemnation is just, i.e., those who do evil that good may come.  For just as it is not correct to deduce truth from falsity, so it is wrong to reach a good end through evil means: “Why does the way of the wicked prosper?  Why do all who are treacherous thrive?”  (Jeremias 12: 1).  Or their, namely, those who accuse us of this falsely, condemnation is just.  For perverters of sacred doctrine are justly condemned: “If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book” (Apocalypse 22: 18).

    That one cannot do evil to obtain a good is basic Catholic teaching.  For instance, in the book “Moral Theology A Complete Course Based on St. Thomas Aquinas and the Best Modern Authorities”, by John A. McHugh and Charles J. Callan, Imprimatur given May 24, 1958 we have the following:

    An act is likewise called entirely bad, when one or more of its elements are of themselves good or indifferent, but when there is an element which is evil and which neutralizes or transforms the good.  This happens in various ways:

    (a) when the object is evil, and the purpose is good, as when one steals in order to pay one’s debts.  The good end is wished only as obtainable through a wicked means, and thus ceases to be good;

    Once elected and after having accepted the office of the papacy it is incuмbent upon you to do what God has appointed you to do.  That is to safeguard the Faith as well as authoritatively and infallibly explain it.  Quite obviously, abandoning your post and leaving the Catholic faithful in the hands of communistic masonic devils is a betrayal of the Faith in the grandest of ways.  We may consider that the intimidators may not have followed up on their threat.  But if they tried to, much like God prevented the rebuilding of the temple He may have prevented the threat from being successful.  Failing that, Siri would have preserved his soul and saved the Church.

    Stating this bald truth along with the fact that Siri offered the Novus Ordo Mass and acknowledged the enemies of the Church as the Vicars of Christ is considered “mudslinging” by one wed to this theory.  If Siri gets a pass then perhaps Paul VI, JP2 and the rest should get the same pass.

    What Can We Be Certain About?

    We can be certain that the Vatican 2 papal claimants are/were not pope.  We can be certain that one who accepted Vatican 2 and the new Mass as Siri did, was not pope.

    In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity We enact, determine, decree and define:] that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:

    (i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;

    (ii) it shall not be possible for it to acquire validity (nor for it to be said that it has thus acquired validity) through the acceptance of the office, of consecration, of subsequent authority, nor through possession of administration, nor through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff, or Veneration, or obedience accorded to such by all, nor through the lapse of any period of time in the foregoing situation;

    (iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way;

    (iv) to any so promoted to be Bishops, or Archbishops, or Patriarchs, or Primates or elevated as Cardinals, or as Roman Pontiff, no authority shall have been granted, nor shall it be considered to have been so granted either in the spiritual or the temporal domain;

    (v) each and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone;

    (vi) those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power.  [Pope Paul IV – cuм Ex Apostolatus 1559]

     Now the fifth true opinion, is that a Pope who is a manifest heretic, ceases in himself to be Pope and head, just as he ceases in himself to be a Christian and member of the body of the Church: whereby, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics soon [mox — better translation: immediately] lose all jurisdiction, and namely St. Cyprian who speaks on Novation, who was a Pope in schism with Cornelius: “He cannot hold the Episcopacy, although he was a bishop first, he fell from the body of his fellow bishops and from the unity of the Church”. There he means that Novation, even if he was a true and legitimate Pope; still would have fallen from the pontificate by himself, if he separated himself from the Church. The same is the opinion of the learned men of our age, as John Driedo teaches, those who are cast out as excommunicates, or leave on their own and oppose the Church are separated from it, namely heretics and schismatics. He adds in the same work, that no spiritual power remains in them, who have departed from the Church, over those who are in the Church. Melchior Cano teaches the same thing, when he says that heretics are not part of the Church, nor members, and he adds in the last Chapter, 12th argument, that someone cannot even be informed in thought, that he should be head and Pope, who is not a member nor a part, and he teaches the same thing in eloquent words, that secret heretics are still in the Church and are parts and members, and that a secretly heretical Pope is still Pope. Others teach the same, whom we cite in Book 1 of de Ecclesia. The foundation of this opinion is that a manifest heretic, is in no way a member of the Church; that is, neither in spirit nor in body, or by internal union nor external. For even wicked Catholics are united and are members, in spirit through faith and in body through the confession of faith, and the participation of the visible Sacraments. Secret heretics are united and are members, but only by an external union: just as on the other hand, good Catechumens are in the Church only by an internal union but not an external one. Manifest heretics by no union, as has been proved.  [Saint and Doctor of The Church Robert Bellarmine – De Romano Pontifice – 1610]

    “If however, God were to permit a pope to become a notoriously and contumacious heretic he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant.” [Saint and Doctor of the Church Alphonsus Liguori (died 1787) – Verita bella Fede]

    The above is certain.  With the Siri Theory we have ideas and speculation which, pardon the redundancy, may or may not be true but is not essential to explaining our current situation.  The divine law that a public heretic cannot legitimately hold ecclesiastical office explained above explains our current situation.  As Saint Alphonsus explained when there is no pope occupying the chair – the chair is vacant, regardless of who claims to occupy it.  That is where we get the term “sede vacante” from.  That term meaning the “chair” or “seat” is “empty” or “vacant” perfectly explains that no valid pope sits on it.  Only a valid pope i.e. a Catholic duly elected can occupy the chair.

    There is going to be a great reckoning.  With each passing blasphemy, heresy, apostacy and sacrilege coming out of Rome under the guise of “Catholicism” we have less and less of an excuse to claim ignorance.  We must pick a side and it is either the side of the goats or the sheep.  When we are judged there is no pretending, obfuscation or lying.   We will be seen as we are.  Willfully blind for the sake of comfort or convenience; or accepting the undeniable facts.

    When you deal with uncertainties and combine it with pride the door is open to incredible pettiness.  For instance, objecting to the idea that Siri was pope until he died was treated in a very contemptuous and therefore uncatholic manner.

    When objections were raised to the idea that Siri was pope until the day he died (without Siri knowing he was pope mind you) I unleashed a diatribe from the man wed to the theory as if the salvation of his soul depends on it that I previously thought would be reserved for the devil.  We were accused of not being who we said we were, pretending to be each other, a real piece of work, wannabe, goombah (this word is new to my vocabulary – meaning – an associate or accomplice, especially a senior member of a criminal gang), completely missing points which we completely understood, phantom experts, and he seemed to think we believed the conciliar leaders were actual popes.  A polite objection led to a tirade.  I likened it to be being in the stands and asking a vendor for a coke with the response being “Here’s your damn coke!”  Thump.  Waking up an hour later to find he threw a brick at my head.

    I tried again (the thump by the brick making me stupid enough to do so I guess) asking if Siri seemed to fit the definition of a valid pope given by the theologians.  You would think grown-up Catholics would be able to have a polite back and forth, but this led again to me being accused of not being who I claim to be (this guy is really into cօռspιʀαcιҽs).  Then I was given a thorough explanation on how stupid and unqualified I am compared to him, that I had animus against him, and he explained, as if I didn’t know, that he didn’t cause the problem of this great apostacy, followed by accusing me of snide cheap shots, being of ill-will, irrelevant and unintelligible.  Lastly, I was asked who we are working for as if I was a double agent trying to undermine the Church and he used a quote by Malachi Martin for support of all people!

    Mind you this is a discussion with someone I basically agree with.  Someone I thought could clarify or have the basic humility to admit he does not have the answer or that I have made a good point or, not unlike even the Fonz on occasion, being w-w-wrong in some conclusion which he deduces from the theory and or from actual facts.

    Then in his next interview he relied heavily on the heretic Leonard Feeney for his theory and suggested that Feeney may have been the victim of a kangaroo court!  That would be the court under Pius XII when Feeney in blatant disobedience to the Pope, (another do evil – disobey the pope, so that “good” may come – he won’t be proven undeniably wrong on his new teaching, that there is no salvation apart from water i.e. sacramental baptism) refused a free trip to Rome to defend his position.  I will add that what Feeney wrote on the issue seemed correct and certainly plausible. So, I’m politely asking for clarification on the theory from a man who at least seems to believe Siri stayed pope, despite being as novus ordo as the other anti-popes, until he died; and a man who also seems to be a Feeneyite sympathizer.  Perhaps I should not have been surprised and disappointed in his responses.      

    Therefore, we need to be wed to certainties and pose speculations as speculations rather than the reverse.  We can never consider ourselves to be the be all and end all of all unsettled and unproven debate as if we are the legitimate Vicar of Christ on earth.  We cannot allow our enormous pride to cause us to belittle anyone who dares disagree with what you conclude about your speculations and ideas.  And we cannot give a large audience even the idea that perhaps it was laudable of Siri, to deny his duty to God and the world, and ultimately to deny the faith in the following years for the sake of convenience, or that Our Lady and or Our Lord would appear to him and tell to “go along with” what the devil’s dupes wanted him to do.  We cannot pretend that it is okay to do evil to obtain a good even if doing good and avoiding evil would come at the cost of the entire population.  This is basic Catholic doctrine.  We can’t pretend that a public heretic can be pope even if his last name is Siri.  We preach “death rather than sin”, not “sin rather than death.”

    To conclude I believe the man who believes I’m someone else, and relies on Feeney for support and seemingly thinks Feeney could have been unjustly excommunicated under Pius XII, and who invents reasons to be highly offended if someone dares to disagree with him and seems to think that Siri was pope until he died despite not knowing he was pope and despite being a heretic, actually has uncovered a lot of truth.  There is no doubt that the enemies of Christ have conspired against his Church from the beginning and that the best way to do it, since they can do nothing to Christ Himself or His Most Holy Mother, is to attack the papacy.  My only advice to this highly sensitive, insecure and vicious individual would be to beg God for the grace to act in a Catholic manner when someone raises an objection against what you prefer to believe.
    Any piece of paper claiming that Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying is a Fraud. The opposite is true as Pius XII actually supports Fr Feeney in the Encyclical Human Genus.
    MO is that this obvious hoax by LoT completely discredits his Siri research...
    Why has the beer drinking emoticon been removed? :confused:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #11 on: December 05, 2019, 02:12:36 PM »
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  • Any piece of paper claiming that Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying is a Fraud. The opposite is true as Pius XII actually supports Fr Feeney in the Encyclical Human Genus.
    MO is that this obvious hoax by LoT completely discredits his Siri research...
    Why has the beer drinking emoticon been removed? :confused:
    Take it to the ghetto.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #12 on: December 05, 2019, 02:53:14 PM »
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    it was suggested on a podcast the Siri had a divine revelation to go along with what the Church enemies wanted him to do and stay quiet so God could see which side everyone was on.  .... I do not know how you can say caving and going along with the evil, shirking your responsibility as pope to God and man was not an evil act.  

    If Siri prayed for God's will and had sincerity in his actions, then he's not to blame.  Even if that's not what God wanted, but Siri thought it was, how can his ignorance be culpable?

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #13 on: December 05, 2019, 03:06:57 PM »
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  • If you believe the Holy Ghost intervenes in a valid conclave and that the Papacy is a Divine office where formal heresy CANNOT be tolerated, and, as the Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth inspired by the Holy Ghost and not allowed to be in grave error, ( In all teaching- not just ex catherdra) then the Siri "conspiracy" is a circuмstance that must be considered-"Good" Pope John XXlll was a known Italian freemason and unelectable in a valid conclave.
    Pope Pius lX was a liberal and the freemasons and Jєωs WANTED him to be elected. The grace of the office changed him into a Holy and Traditional Pope. The Powers that Be ( Masons, CIA, Jєωs) would not take that chance again with a valid conclave- and  knew at that point that a true Pope had to be elected and pushed aside in order for their "will" to be accomplished with an unelected antipope. In 1958 the smoke changed from white to black to white again- unprecedented. And so Vll commenced and the rest is history. I believe that Siri was Pope until his death in 1989. I can't even imagine what they threatened Siri with , but many believe that it was a nuclear threat against millions of souls, including the bombing of the Vatican .

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    Re: WAS SIRI POPE UNTIL HE DIED?
    « Reply #14 on: December 05, 2019, 03:09:30 PM »
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  • Take it to the ghetto.  

    Your OP spam article spent devoted a few paragraphs to the subject of Father Feeney ... even though it has nothing to do with Cardinal Siri.  You are the one obsessed with the issue.