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Author Topic: Was luther wrong?  (Read 1643 times)

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Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2026, 06:14:52 AM »
Yes, Luther was wrong, of course.

russianpropagandapurveyor, you question does make sense. As I see it, the current situation leaves us two options:

-Accept Vatican II and also accept that Catholicism can change completely. If Vatican II is legitimate, then the Pope can change absolutely everything and it will still be Catholicism. This is obvious a false idea.

-Accept that the Church was somehow corrupted and that the false doctrines of Vatican II were promulgated as true by the highest authority. This is Traditionalist. How it was possible and how to react to it is what Traditionalist have been trying to do for the last 60 years or so. There is no definite and final answer, but we know that this is the only viable option, since the alternative basically mean that Our Lord's promisses were false.

A third option is to intepret Vatican II according to Tradition.  Can that be done?  Have you ever tried?  One thing is certain: only a fool will believe,without question, that Vatican II contradicts Tradition wthout studyng the issue himself.   And "studying the issue" does not mean reading selective quotes from an article that attempts to prove V2 contradicts traditions.  It means actually studying the issue objectively for oneself.  Unfortantely, very few, if any, Traditional Catholics taken that approach.   Another problem is many Traditional Catholics have embraced doctrinal errors, such as the rejection of BOD and BOB, which rejection is a clear departure from tradition.   Only a fool would reject Catholic doctrines such as BOB and BOD, which have been taught universall since the Council of Trent.  Yet how many fools are there here on Cathinfo?  Too many to count.    

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2026, 10:58:32 AM »
A third option is to intepret Vatican II according to Tradition.  Can that be done?  Have you ever tried?  One thing is certain: only a fool will believe,without question, that Vatican II contradicts Tradition wthout studyng the issue himself.  And "studying the issue" does not mean reading selective quotes from an article that attempts to prove V2 contradicts traditions.  It means actually studying the issue objectively for oneself.  Unfortantely, very few, if any, Traditional Catholics taken that approach.  Another problem is many Traditional Catholics have embraced doctrinal errors, such as the rejection of BOD and BOB, which rejection is a clear departure from tradition.  Only a fool would reject Catholic doctrines such as BOB and BOD, which have been taught universall since the Council of Trent.  Yet how many fools are there here on Cathinfo?  Too many to count.   

This is actually the first option, which is to accept Vatican II. It's called Conservatism. Conservatives are a very different species from the Traditionalists.

There's the "BOD" section of the forum. You can go there and read in depth discussions about it. 


Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2026, 11:19:04 AM »
I think the original poster is Croix

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2026, 11:57:38 AM »
Yes, Luther was wrong, of course.

russianpropagandapurveyor, you question does make sense. As I see it, the current situation leaves us two options:

-Accept Vatican II and also accept that Catholicism can change completely. If Vatican II is legitimate, then the Pope can change absolutely everything and it will still be Catholicism. This is obvious a false idea.

-Accept that the Church was somehow corrupted and that the false doctrines of Vatican II were promulgated as true by the highest authority. This is Traditionalist. How it was possible and how to react to it is what Traditionalist have been trying to do for the last 60 years or so. There is no definite and final answer, but we know that this is the only viable option, since the alternative basically mean that Our Lord's promisses were false.
Thank you for answer. is interesting but still seem we stuck and make judgement like luther. will think more.

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2026, 11:59:18 AM »
The True and the False Infallibility of the Popes by Bishop Joseph Fessler, Secretary General of the Vatican Council (1870) addresses the question of a heretical Pope in light of the dogma of papal infallibility, and analyzes cuм Ex Apostolatus by Pope Paul IV. He received an approbation from Pope Pius IX for his work, as being a genuine explanation of papal infallibility.

https://archive.org/details/a628790300fessuoft/page/n1/mode/2up

Cardinal Manning also wrote a work entitled "The Vatican Council and its Decrees".

https://archive.org/details/a592047000mannuoft/page/n31/mode/2up

These two books help one to navigate the crisis in the Church.

If anyone wishes for me to share particular passages that are more relevant, let me know, and I would be happy to do so. Otherwise, I hope those who choose to read the books entirely, enjoy and understand them.
look interesting. thank you