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Offline Lazarus

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2026, 11:20:13 PM »
Quote from: russianpropagandapurveyor on April 20, 2026, 11:03:23 PM
Did not live during those times. Did you? Easy to pretend what would have done long ago after everything settled. Live here live now. luther decide could not follow what he consider bad teaching. corrupt pope. he give many reason. we do same now. why he wrong principle but not us wrong? that is question.

luther use bible reading to justify decision. we use bible and councils and writing of saint and prophecy to do same for our decision. more book to use but still seem we do same thing as he. am ok to admit that. not ok to pretend.
A Pope cannot be a heretic.

You need to learn what you're talking about before talking, otherwise you're only saying nonsense. 
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Offline russianpropagandapurveyor

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2026, 11:28:07 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus on April 20, 2026, 11:20:13 PM
A Pope cannot be a heretic.

You need to learn what you're talking about before talking, otherwise you're only saying nonsense.
so if you say he not pope because you say he teach error he not pope? that not personal judgement? circular. 
as say above maybe ask too much.
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Offline alancarmine

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2026, 11:39:49 PM »
Quote from: russianpropagandapurveyor on April 20, 2026, 11:05:25 PM
:confused: do not understand

Think i understand now. You were answer title was luther wrong? not answering question or article that quoted. I am looking for actual answer to serious question not just dumb reaction. maybe ask too much.
Are you struggling with anything? Let me know.
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Offline Maria Dolorosa

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2026, 11:51:23 PM »
The True and the False Infallibility of the Popes by Bishop Joseph Fessler, Secretary General of the Vatican Council (1870) addresses the question of a heretical Pope in light of the dogma of papal infallibility, and analyzes cuŠ¼ Ex Apostolatus by Pope Paul IV. He received an approbation from Pope Pius IX for his work, as being a genuine explanation of papal infallibility.

https://archive.org/details/a628790300fessuoft/page/n1/mode/2up

Cardinal Manning also wrote a work entitled "The Vatican Council and its Decrees".

https://archive.org/details/a592047000mannuoft/page/n31/mode/2up

These two books help one to navigate the crisis in the Church.

If anyone wishes for me to share particular passages that are more relevant, let me know, and I would be happy to do so. Otherwise, I hope those who choose to read the books entirely, enjoy and understand them.
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Offline Giovanni Berto

Re: Was luther wrong?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2026, 12:22:33 AM »
Yes, Luther was wrong, of course.

russianpropagandapurveyor, you question does make sense. As I see it, the current situation leaves us two options:

-Accept Vatican II and also accept that Catholicism can change completely. If Vatican II is legitimate, then the Pope can change absolutely everything and it will still be Catholicism. This is obvious a false idea.

-Accept that the Church was somehow corrupted and that the false doctrines of Vatican II were promulgated as true by the highest authority. This is Traditionalist. How it was possible and how to react to it is what Traditionalist have been trying to do for the last 60 years or so. There is no definite and final answer, but we know that this is the only viable option, since the alternative basically mean that Our Lord's promisses were false.
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