I say he was not a member of the Catholic Church because he did not profess the True Faith. He was a notorious, manifest, and pertinacious heretic, thus he was outside the Church. What say you?

He denied the Trinity, papal infallibility, and EENS. Quite obvious he was a heretic. Even if you deny the Trinity out of ignorance you're a heretic.

If he denied the Holy Trinity, then he was an infidel / apostate.

Many (note I said many, not ALL) of those in the Conciliar Church do not possess the Catholic Faith which alone can save.

Some are in the process of losing the faith, or have weak faith. A few seem to be surviving despite the horrid conditions of the Conciliar Church milieu. God and Our Lady are preserving some Catholics of good will, naturally.

Hans Kung, based on his words and writings, was one of those who has lost the Faith at some point in the past. Sad.

If a new Pope were elected who immediately began "cleaning up the mess" and restoring Tradition to the Church -- including Catholic morality, spiritual practices, the Tridentine Mass, etc. -- imagine how many Novus Ordoites would reject Catholicism. Those are they who don't have the Faith. There are some who are protestant and only *tolerate* the Catholic trappings or elements, while others thrive on those Catholic vestiges and elements, and only TOLERATE the myriad Protestant elements and abuses.

Many (note I said many, not ALL) of those in the Conciliar Church do not possess the Catholic Faith which alone can save.

Some are in the process of losing the faith, or have weak faith. A few seem to be surviving despite the horrid conditions of the Conciliar Church milieu. God and Our Lady are preserving some Catholics of good will, naturally.

Hans Kung, based on his words and writings, was one of those who has lost the Faith at some point in the past. Sad.

If a new Pope were elected who immєdιαtely began "cleaning up the mess" and restoring Tradition to the Church -- including Catholic morality, spiritual practices, the Tridentine Mass, etc. -- imagine how many Novus Ordoites would reject Catholicism. Those are they who don't have the Faith. There are some who are protestant and only *tolerate* the Catholic trappings or elements, while others thrive on those Catholic vestiges and elements, and only TOLERATE the myriad Protestant elements and abuses.

Can confirm about the ones in the Conciliar Church who do have the Faith. When any diocese has a priest who can say the Tridentine Mass, said Mass is basically standing-room only. Of young families and tons of children.

That same guitar Mass across the road is empty. No one actually in communion with the Church nor anyone born after the advent of radio is there willingly.

I wonder if the two who voted YES are really Catholic?

I wonder if the two who voted YES are really Catholic?

Who knows. Might've been Salza and Siscoe types that think you need to be formally declared a heretic to be a non Catholic.