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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #120 on: September 05, 2025, 02:50:50 PM »
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  • You did well here, there is also a few points which confirm that let’s say an apparition is not from God and one were to “engage” with it, well no doubt you would be giving devotion and thought and prayer to demonic entities.

    Now for Concilliar apparitions I would imagine the same thing happens because they are demonic deceptions. Take for example Garabandal which is clearly diabolical, when one start playing with it they typically fall into Concilliar heresy, same with playing around with the novus ordo mass etc.

    Yes, indeed, the same criteria could be applied to apparitions.  Rule #1 ... if there's anything even slightly savoring of heterodoxy, the Church immediately crosses it off the list.  Church's default attitude has always been that of skepticism, and they're considered fake unless proven true, and by fake, sometimes they're just frauds (Medjugorje) or at other times they're diabolical (Garabandal ... I agree with that completely).

    Garabandal started as the kids were stealing apples, often had them donig strange things like running backwards at top speed up and down hills (anything backwards and upside down is nearly always the devil), asking the kids to bring sacramentals for "her" to bless them, but she insisted they should not be blessed before hand by a priest (they make "her" uncomfortable, do they?), the night of shrieking / screams, numerous failed "prophecies", several of the "seers" no longer believing in them, etc. etc.

    Here's a great writeup on Garabandal:
    https://avoicefromthedesert.wordpress.com/2014/12/10/garabandal-apparition-of-the-devil-1961/

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #121 on: September 05, 2025, 02:58:13 PM »
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  • Yes, indeed, the same criteria could be applied to apparitions.  Rule #1 ... if there's anything even slightly savoring of heterodoxy, the Church immediately crosses it off the list.  Church's default attitude has always been that of skepticism, and they're considered fake unless proven true, and by fake, sometimes they're just frauds (Medjugorje) or at other times they're diabolical (Garabandal ... I agree with that completely).

    Garabandal started as the kids were stealing apples, often had them donig strange things like running backwards at top speed up and down hills (anything backwards and upside down is nearly always the devil), asking the kids to bring sacramentals for "her" to bless them, but she insisted they should not be blessed before hand by a priest (they make "her" uncomfortable, do they?), the night of shrieking / screams, numerous failed "prophecies", several of the "seers" no longer believing in them, etc. etc.

    Thank you for this, it has always bothered me about the arguments of what had happened to Bishop Williamson on one hand you have a side that says he was an absolute infiltrator, totally and on the other end you have those that literally lose their own faith by trying to defend his position on novus ordo apparitions, miracles etc.

    He was a good bishop and I do not want to think he was nefarious, ladislaus your post can very well describe how the good bishop started to fall. It was in 2014 when he first said that the new mass had grace and then we all know what happened after.

    Modernism and Liberalism is a demonic mind virus and if you play with it at all it will corrupt you.

    Now what does that say about ripperger and those that follow his lead, were they/are they opened up to diabolical oppression.
    + Is the whole Concilliar church under demonic oppression / obsession / possession


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #122 on: September 05, 2025, 03:34:07 PM »
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  • …Modernism and Liberalism is a demonic mind virus…
    Impossible! It is Traddie dogma that there are no nukes and no viruses.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #123 on: September 05, 2025, 03:38:26 PM »
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  • Impossible! It is Traddie dogma that there are no nukes and no viruses.

    Good catch mark, I should said diesease!

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #124 on: September 05, 2025, 03:41:43 PM »
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  • Traddie dogma…


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #125 on: September 05, 2025, 07:11:25 PM »
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  • Ripperger has been refuted from primary sources.  There have been many long threads on this subjet, but one of his apologists / water-carriers finally cited the passages from St. Alphonsus, and so I looked them up, cited them (go look for it), and the sleight of hand was accomplished by Ripperger conflating two separate things, where you can't make requests of the devil and then speaking about how only exorcists can perform solemn exorcisms.  So Ripperger blended the two and claimed that lay people can issue commands to the devil, just so long as it's not a solemn exorcism.  But that's false, and I cited St. Alphonsus in the very same passage where he states that only those who have authority over the commandees, aka, the demon, can issue commands, i.e. exorcists.  But that part was skipped.
    I'm still waiting for a reference to St. Alphonsus. Does he speak about it in his Theologia Moralis?
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #126 on: September 05, 2025, 07:24:40 PM »
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  • Fr. Ripperger's book also contains a section or two with lists of about 1,000 different "demons", the demon of this, the demon of that.
    Which book?
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #127 on: September 05, 2025, 10:01:57 PM »
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  • Which book?

    For being a Ripperger defender, you don't even know about his Deliverance book?  That's clearly the one we're talking about here.


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #128 on: September 05, 2025, 10:04:32 PM »
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  • I'm still waiting for a reference to St. Alphonsus. Does he speak about it in his Theologia Moralis?

    You can wait all you want.  It was cited on another thread by a different Ripper apologist when I asked for evidence for Ripperger's position that you can imprecate demons if they're afflicting someone under your authority.  Use the search function and find it.

    Burden of proof is on those claiming it's permitted to issue such commands to demons.  There was and is none.  I made the same challenge to another Ripperger apologist, and he finally found a citation in one of Ripperger's works, so I went and looked it up to see what St. Alphonsus and St. Thomas actually said, and they said nothing of the sort.

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    Prümmer, O.P.: "Private exorcism may be performed by anyone"
    « Reply #129 on: September 05, 2025, 10:13:47 PM »
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  • Prümmer, O.P., Handbook of Moral Theology (PDF pp. 269-70):
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    Art. 6. Adjuration

    1. Definition. Adjuration is the use one makes of the reverence, fear, or love which another has for the name of God or a holy thing to induce him to do or omit something.

    In adjuration, therefore, one person tries to obtain something from another in virtue of the latter’s reverence or fear of God. All who know God may be adjured — that is to say, God Himself, Christ, our Lady, the saints, men on earth, the devils.

    Adjuration is solemn if made with the ceremonies prescribed by the Church; otherwise, it is simple. It is precatory if made in the form of a request; it is comminatory (imperative) if accompanied by commands.

    Principle. Adjuration which fulfills the requisite conditions is an act of religion and therefore lawful and morally good.

    By such an act recognition is made of God’s majesty. Furthermore, it is an act which has often been used by the Church.

    The requisite conditions for lawful adjuration are the same as those for a lawful oath; namely truth, justice, right judgment.

    Truth demands that the agent should not deceive the individual who is adjured.

    Justice demands that he intend something that is lawful.

    Right judgment demands that adjuration should be accompanied by due reverence.

    1. Exorcism. In its strict sense, exorcism is the expulsion of the devil from one possessed; in its wide sense, it includes the nullifying of the devil’s influence in any creature. In a solemn exorcism, understood in its strict sense, the directions of the Church must be scrupulously observed. It is of prime importance to obtain the ordinary’s permission since it is his function to decide whether it is a genuine case of diabolical possession and whether it is fitting to perform the exorcism solemnly. [See [1917] CCL, Can. 1151ff.] Private exorcism may be performed by anyone, but its influence is greater if exercised by one who has received the Order of exorcist.
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #130 on: September 05, 2025, 10:17:49 PM »
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  • BTW, here's actually a terrific alternative practice ... making it so there's even LESS need for any of this nonsense.

    If you have someone under your authority, possibly being afflicted by demons, or in any kind of spiritual or other need ... (politely and respectfully) command their ANGELS to ward off the demons from your charges.  See, unlike the demons, the guardian angels absolutely respect your God-given authority over these people in your care ... as, as we're taught, accept it as if it were a command from God Himself.

    Also, I am certain that entire families and other divinely-ordained social groups have guardian angels.  So, for instance, the angel that appeared initially to the children of Fatima identified himself as the "Angel Guardian of Portugal".  Similarly, I'm convinced that each family (properly constituted of course in the eyes of God, not fake families of divorced / remarried / not validly married), countries, and possibly even states, and cities, etc., ... they all have Guardian Angels.  For the Church as a whole, there's St. Michael, in addition to St. Joseph, and I'm sure that each diocese or religious order, school, etc. ... also have Guardian Angels.

    So if your family are being afflicted by demonic attacks, obtain validly-blessed holy water, and blessed salt (does not evaporate), properly blessed St. Benedict's medals, have them all enrolled in and wearing the Scapular, consecrate your family to not only the Sacred Heart of Jesus but also to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray the family Rosary, and the head of the family can direct both deprecation and imprecations to the Guardian Angels of his wife and his children, and also to the Guardian Angel of the family, and the wife / mother can do the same for those of her children and the family Guardian.  Pray also for the protection of St. Joseph, who's role was in fact to be THE protector of the Holy Family.

    If we think in our hubris that WE somehow can be more powerful combatting demons that these angels, than Our Blessed Mother, than St. Joseph, that's incredibly arrogant and is sure only to invite demonic attacks, rather than the humility of leaving it in their hands.

    Also, it's much more positive to think about being surrounded constantly by our Guardian Angels than to be looking for a demon behind every bush.  Yes, they're definitely around, but, as St. Francis de Sales said, we should ignore them and focus in stead on our divinely-appointed guardians.  In fact, I'm sure that every single Traditional Catholic family probably has large numbers of them swarming after them.  That's because 99% of the world have freely given themselves over to sin and faithlessness, where the demons need not waste any time on them.  So there's more of them to make concentrated attacks on those few families and organizations that still have the Traditional Catholic faith left.



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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #131 on: September 05, 2025, 10:37:45 PM »
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  • Presider Ripperger is the FSSP's contestant challenging Fr. Paul "Upside-Down" Robinson for the title of "Most Dangerous to Body and Soul." Stay tuned for the cage match. :laugh2:
    Fr. Robinson has already lost; he's an evolutionist.
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