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Offline Yeti

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2022, 07:44:06 AM »
NO with strong traditionalist leanings.  He thought Fr. Ripperger was kosher, so to speak.
Yes, Fr. Ripperger enjoys strong popularity among the conservative types of the Novus Ordo church.

Offline TheRealMcCoy

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2022, 10:12:23 AM »
Fr. Ripperger was such a scandal at St. Joan of Arc in Coeur d'Alene, ID that a large group of his parishioners appealed to the bishop to remove or discipline him.  The complaints involved financial mishandlings and inappropriate friendships with female parishioners.  He even had a minion harassing people on his behalf and police were involved.  This man is a public figure in rad-trad circles.  Fr. Ripperger was transferred to Tulsa shortly after the meeting with St. Joan of Arc parishioners with the bishop.


Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2022, 11:37:51 AM »
I am amazed by this thread- but I agree on every word so far. Unfortunately, we actually have the book Deliverance Prayers for the Laity and now I can’t seem to find it in the house. In the past, I prayed only twice of some of the prayers in this book, but have not dealt with anything strange. 

Many of our clergy in today’s society do not believe as much in the devil or the supernatural anymore- and so if someone was really possessed, it would be difficult to get an exorcist to come and visit such an individual. What a sad time we’re living in.

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2022, 12:11:00 PM »
Lest this topic get buried in the lengthy argument on the other thread, "Father" Chad Ripperger has a following among Trads and has published a book "Deliverence Prayers for the Laity".  In addition to some normal prayers, wherein the faithful pray to God, Our Lady, and the saints to protect us from demons, Ripperger also includes various prayers wherein the laity are supposed to deliberately engage the demons and issue orders to them to depart, acting as lay exorcists.  "I cast you out ...", "I command you ...", etc.  I will cite specific examples later.

So after many attempts in vain to get some justification for this practice in Traditional sources, we were pointed to St. Alphonsus, but St. Alphonsus unequivocally condemns the practice (despite Ripperger's blunder, misreading it to justify this novelty that had hitherto only been practiced by Prots who believe that they all have "priestly" authority).  Ripperger even adapted some Prot "Deliverence Prayers" to make them seem more Catholic.

Attempting to directly engage demons and to command them is incredibly dangerous.  Do not be fooled by Ripperger posturing as a Traditional Catholic (as he actually denounces Traditional Catholics from the pulpit).

I will cite the relevant passages, but St. Alphonsus discusses the subject of "Adjuration" (into which category exorcism falls).

After defining it as the invocation of God, of holy things, or of the saints in order to get someone to do or not to do something, St. Alphonsus distinguishes not only between solemn and private exorcism (the former being the official Rites / ceremonies of the Church conducted by duly appointed ministers and the latter being anything else), but he also makes another separate distinction between two types of adjuration:

Imperative (issuing commands) and Deprecatory (making requests).

St. Alphonsus teaches that it's mortal sin to issue deprecatory adjurations to demons, and also states that imperative adjurations can ONLY be issued by 1) those in authority to their subjects, and 2) EXORCISTS to demons (as exorcists have the Church's authority over demons).

So for those of us who are not Exorcists, 1) we have no authority to issue imperative adjurations to demons and 2) it would be grave sin to issue deprecatory adjurations to them (that would be a mortal sin even for an Exorcist, by the way).

Consequently, Ripperger's novel (Prot-like) approach to deliverance prayers wherein the laity are encouraged to issue commands to demons is incredibly dangerous and could result in severe retaliation by the demons that do not acknowledge our authority over them.

Traditional Catholics should avoid his books and his talks.

Instead, we pray to God, to Our Lord, to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, to the angels (St. Michael and our Guardian Angels) to protect us, and, as St. Francis de Sales says, we are to ignore demons and not engage them, knowing that God is in total control over what they are allowed or not allowed to do to us.  We must avoid the itchy ears and the curiosity of wanting to dabble with and engage occult forces, as that is precisely how we open ourselves up to their greater influence in our affairs.  We use the Church's sacramentals (holy water, blessed salt, St. Benedict's medals, etc.) and consecrate ourselves to Our Blessed Mother, from whom the demons flee in terror.

This is, BTW, probably how Pablo came under diabolical influence/control.

Dear M. Szijarto-

I believe this research may be your most valuable contribution to date, and wanted to thank you for doing the legwork researching. S. Alphonsus.

I purchased Abbe Ripperger's book a year (or more) ago, but was never completely comfortable with reading it, precisely because I wondered about the prudence of using some of these prayers, and so it has sat upon my shelves unread, collecting dust.  Your post(s) rather serve to confirm my reluctance, and I will be depositing the book in the rubbish bin once I walk away from this computer.

I am wondering if perhaps it might not be a good idea for you to forward your findings to some traditional priests for wider circulation and feedback, as it may help some people avoid the dangers you have recounted on the subject.

Thanks again.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2022, 12:13:53 PM »
Fr. Ripperger was such a scandal at St. Joan of Arc in Coeur d'Alene, ID that a large group of his parishioners appealed to the bishop to remove or discipline him.  The complaints involved financial mishandlings and inappropriate friendships with female parishioners.  He even had a minion harassing people on his behalf and police were involved.  This man is a public figure in rad-trad circles.  Fr. Ripperger was transferred to Tulsa shortly after the meeting with St. Joan of Arc parishioners with the bishop.

Interesting.  Normally, this might border on detraction, but I think that, since he's a public figure who has a lot of influence on people, i.e. perhaps persuading them that the Conciliar Church and the NOM are A-OK, reinforcing this constant notion of "obedience" to the Conciliar bishop being required for efficacious exorcism (in fact relating that ruse once about how the demon "left immediately" after, having asked Ripperger on whose authority he was performing the exorcism [as if he didn't know, right?], and the Ripperger responding the Bishop's name, this demon (pretended to) leave "immediately".  Then he's encouraging the Laity to directly engage demons and to indulge in excessive curiosity about them.  He excoriated even the Motu Trads for being uncharitable and impure ... for criticizing the Conciliar "Magisterium".  He seems to be monetizing his popularity that was created due to the sensationalism caused by dealing with the subjects that a lot of people are curious about.  I think that he was right about the jab, except some of his reasoning sounded a bit off (strange) when he spoke of "circuмstances" that might effect the morality of a decision.  Lots of bad fruits with this man, and he should be avoided by the "Trads".