Author Topic: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church. (Read 2454 times)

Michelle · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2026, 02:19:02 PM »

Quote from: OABrownson1876 on March 08, 2026, 11:31:22 AM

Theologians, even pre-Vatican II, said that Our Lady had to be baptized for two reasons, to become a member of the Catholic Church, and secondly, to receive the sacramental graces which flowed from any other sacraments she received. If you are not baptized, you cannot receive the other (sacraments) sacramental graces, in fact, you would receive the other sacraments sacrilegiously because you are not a member of the Church.

We do not know when Our Lady was baptized, but we presume it was obviously before the Last Supper, because she and all the other Catholics had to be baptized to receive the Holy Eucharist.

St. John the Baptist was sanctified in his mother's womb.
Baptism is the sacrament which takes away original sin and the Holy Spirit takes up His abode.
Our Lady did not have original sin and she was always the spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Our Lord wad baptized to sanctify the waters.
Maybe our Lady was baptized? I don't know but she was always a member of the Church because she is the Mother of the Church.

Twice dyed · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2026, 02:30:14 PM »

Isn't there a saying that says something like this?:

God is not bound by the Sacraments.

Then Our Lord mentions:
The Sabbath was created for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Jacinta of Fatima received communion from the Angel, where in the world did the Host and Precious Blood come from? Had she made all the necessary studies to receive communion?

When St. John the Baptist told the crowd they were to receive a baptism of fire, what is He saying ?
Luke 3:16

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2026, 10:14:53 PM »

Michelle and T.D., both of you are conflating several issues. What St. John the Baptist did or did not do is completely irrelevant to the subject of the necessity of the sacraments for salvation. In the case of our Lady the logic is simple:

Major: The sacraments are necessary for salvation for Catholics (Trent)
minor: The Mother of the Church (Mary) was a Catholic
Ergo: The sacraments (baptism) are necessary for Mary

It is theologically certain that Mary was a Catholic. It is therefore theologically certain that she was baptized. Baptism imprints the character which marks the soul as it were. There is no need to overthink this point.

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