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WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« on: October 01, 2022, 01:09:46 PM »
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  • Lest this topic get buried in the lengthy argument on the other thread, "Father" Chad Ripperger has a following among Trads and has published a book "Deliverence Prayers for the Laity".  In addition to some normal prayers, wherein the faithful pray to God, Our Lady, and the saints to protect us from demons, Ripperger also includes various prayers wherein the laity are supposed to deliberately engage the demons and issue orders to them to depart, acting as lay exorcists.  "I cast you out ...", "I command you ...", etc.  I will cite specific examples later.

    So after many attempts in vain to get some justification for this practice in Traditional sources, we were pointed to St. Alphonsus, but St. Alphonsus unequivocally condemns the practice (despite Ripperger's blunder, misreading it to justify this novelty that had hitherto only been practiced by Prots who believe that they all have "priestly" authority).  Ripperger even adapted some Prot "Deliverence Prayers" to make them seem more Catholic.

    Attempting to directly engage demons and to command them is incredibly dangerous.  Do not be fooled by Ripperger posturing as a Traditional Catholic (as he actually denounces Traditional Catholics from the pulpit).

    I will cite the relevant passages, but St. Alphonsus discusses the subject of "Adjuration" (into which category exorcism falls).

    After defining it as the invocation of God, of holy things, or of the saints in order to get someone to do or not to do something, St. Alphonsus distinguishes not only between solemn and private exorcism (the former being the official Rites / ceremonies of the Church conducted by duly appointed ministers and the latter being anything else), but he also makes another separate distinction between two types of adjuration:

    Imperative (issuing commands) and Deprecatory (making requests).

    St. Alphonsus teaches that it's mortal sin to issue deprecatory adjurations to demons, and also states that imperative adjurations can ONLY be issued by 1) those in authority to their subjects, and 2) EXORCISTS to demons (as exorcists have the Church's authority over demons).

    So for those of us who are not Exorcists, 1) we have no authority to issue imperative adjurations to demons and 2) it would be grave sin to issue deprecatory adjurations to them (that would be a mortal sin even for an Exorcist, by the way).

    Consequently, Ripperger's novel (Prot-like) approach to deliverance prayers wherein the laity are encouraged to issue commands to demons is incredibly dangerous and could result in severe retaliation by the demons that do not acknowledge our authority over them.

    Traditional Catholics should avoid his books and his talks.

    Instead, we pray to God, to Our Lord, to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, to the angels (St. Michael and our Guardian Angels) to protect us, and, as St. Francis de Sales says, we are to ignore demons and not engage them, knowing that God is in total control over what they are allowed or not allowed to do to us.  We must avoid the itchy ears and the curiosity of wanting to dabble with and engage occult forces, as that is precisely how we open ourselves up to their greater influence in our affairs.  We use the Church's sacramentals (holy water, blessed salt, St. Benedict's medals, etc.) and consecrate ourselves to Our Blessed Mother, from whom the demons flee in terror.

    This is, BTW, probably how Pablo came under diabolical influence/control.


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #1 on: October 01, 2022, 01:14:07 PM »
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  • I offer Yeti my thanks for initially pointing out this issue.  Until that point, I had simply assumed it was OK, given Ripperger's credentials as a Thomist and a "Traditional Catholic," and even own a copy of his book and have said those prayers.  In fact, however, I did notice an uptick in strange diabolical activity around my home after I used them.

    Also, DL has pointed out the problem with Ripperger reporting his various exchanges with demons.  St. Alphonsus also condemns that practice, holding that to do it regularly constitutes grave sin (but that it's more probably venial sin to ask one or two questions ... but acknowledges one theologian who says that it's grave sin).  He affirms that the Exorcist may interrogate the demons only regarding those things which the Church has deemed necessary to know for the extirpation of the demons (as reflected in the Church's ritual).  He acknowledges that information received in this manner from demons is highly suspect given their known tendency to lie.


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #2 on: October 01, 2022, 01:15:39 PM »
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  • It just seems to me to be common sense [not to mention sensus catholicus] that the laity shouldn't be getting involved in this sort of activity.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #3 on: October 01, 2022, 01:19:29 PM »
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  • It just seems to me to be common sense [not to mention sensus catholicus] that the laity shouldn't be getting involved in this sort of activity.

    Agreed.  Yet Ripperger has promoted this practice and, posing as a Traditional Catholic, has acquired a significant following among Traditional Catholics.  That is why I felt the need to put this warning out there.  Ripperger had several die-hard defenders on that thread (who were simply ill informed and who were taken in by Ripperger playing the part of Traditional Catholic).

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #4 on: October 01, 2022, 03:04:12 PM »
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  • I sent the following message to Father Ripperger's group, the Doloran Fathers --
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    Dear Fathers,

    Father Chad Ripperger's encouragement of the laity to make imperative adjuration of demons is extremely dangerous and represents a misreading and misinterpretation of St. Alphonsus.  St. Alphonsus makes a distinction not only between solemn and private, but also a separate distinction between imperative and deprecatory.  Father conflates the two sets of distinctions, leading to a false conclusion.  Deprecatory adjuration of demons is forbidden (under pain of mortal sin) not only to Laity but even to Exorcists.  Imperative Adjuration, however, is permitted or applicable ONLY (Latin tantum) to  1) those in authority to their subordinates and 2) Exorcists to demons (just an extension of the first category, as Exorcists have authority over demons).  This notion that the Laity have authority to issue imperative adjuration to demons when they afflict those under our authority is a novelty.  Nowhere is it stated that it is permitted to issue these adjurations to the bad actors afflicting those under our authority, but only to those under our own authority.  This is a dangerous and novel practice, more akin to recent Protestant "Deliverance" Prayer (a term not known to Catholics) than to any Traditional Catholic practice, and Father Ripperger needs to retract this false theology lest it cause serious harm due to demonic retaliation, his anecdotal assertion that such has not been "reported" notwithstanding.  Catholics recognize that God is in total control of what demons are permitted or not permitted to do, and we are content to pray with simple confidence to God, Our Lord, Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, to St. Michael and the Guardian Angels, as being much more efficacious than our own personal adjuration to demons.  This practice has also led to an unhealthy curiosity among the faithful about demonic activity, and curiosity about and engagement with demonic and occult forces is one of the surest ways to open the door to their having a greater influence in our affairs.  This notion of wanting to find out the names of the specific evil spirits afflicting us, as if this knowledge would give us greater "power" over them, smacks of superstition.  We can simply trust Our Blessed Mother and ask her, "Please dispel and put to flight WHATEVER demons may be afflicting ur or ours."  We can in fact adjure our Angels and our Guardian angels, and those of our wives and children, in deprecatory fashion, appealing to our authority over our loved ones and ask them to enforce this authority against demonic forces, and that is truly efficacious, as they are, unlike their demonic counterparts, very much inclined to enforce our authority over our loved ones as being the authority of God Himself.  There's a subtle insinuation in Father's approach that demonic forces are responsible for nearly all ills that afflict us, down to financial problems, rather than some of these being the consequences of our own sins, and temptations also from the flesh and the world (and not just the devil).  This thinking also appeals to those who might wish to offload responsibility for their sins and failings onto some demon, and, what's more, even some demon that their great-great-great grandfather has introduced into the family line.  So, when I look at pornography, it's my great-great-great-grandfather's fault, right?  This thinking is both dangerous and unhealthy, and yet Father Ripperger has attained to a somewhat celebrity status by appealing to the natural itchy ears and curiosity about such matters among the faithful, not unlike those shows about "Ghost Hunters" have done in the secular world.  This is wrong, it's harmful, and it's dangerous.  Finally, St. Alphonsus also teaches it to be mortal sin  for the Exorcist to interrogate demons about any matters not directly related to extirpating the demon from harassing the obsessed ... and at least a venial since if done infrequently.  Among other things, demons are known to LIE, and whatever they say should not be reported or disseminated, such as when demons claim that the time of their power is coming to a close.  Again, this smacks of getting attention and hits for a celebrity's social media presence.  Father has also uncharitably attacked a false caricature of "Traditional Catholics," of whom I am one, from the pulpit.  While certainly many Traditional Catholics are afflicted with some of the tendencies he has outlined, the assertion that "Trads" (a derogatory term) are even more prone to sins of impurity than their Conciliar counterparts, is completely false and slanderous.  We have the entire world awash with impurity, and the "Trads" I know are at least battling against these vices, while the Conciliarists often celebrate them (including vices against nature, such as sodomy and transgenderism), and the simple fact is that in a typical Conciliar parish of 10,000 you might have 3-4 show up for the 30 minute Confession window on a Saturday afternoon, while all 10,000 march up to receive Holy Communion on Sunday, and so hearing Confessions of "Trads" who feel the need to confess, is no indicator of this purely anecdotal assertion that Trads are more impure on account of pride, as these "statistics" are inherently skewed.  Allegations of "Gnosticism" are also absurd when this adherence to truth rests firmly on a devotion to and subjection to the Church's own teaching, whereas 90%+ of the Conciliarists, by their own polls, reject one Catholic dogma or another ... including the vast majority of the Conciliar Bishops.  It is not sinful or proud to call these wolves in sheep's clothing out for teaching heresy and misleading the faithful, leading souls to hell.  St. Paul bids us to reject those who preach another Gospel, be it himself or one posing as an angel of light.  Father adopts a very condescending and, ironically, arrogant and "Gnostic" tone himself in his condemnation of "Trads", as if somehow he alone holds the key to the "true" balance between the extremes of Trads and the errors of the Conciliar Church.  I appeal to Father Ripperger to prayerfully consider these points and to undo the possible damage he's done by promoting the direct engagement of the Laity with demonic spirits, attempting to issue imperative adjurations and exercising inordinate curiosity about demonic and occult matters.
    God bless you, Laszlo Szijarto


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #5 on: October 01, 2022, 03:28:35 PM »
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  • Thank you so much for this. A priest suggested that I use that book to solve the lack of progress in my life, which he said was caused by demons (the problem was solved months later, but not by that book).  Then, just days after I finished the deliverance prayers, the computers at work started having problems, making so much backlog that I had to work ten-hour days for four months.  I always suspected that my efforts just made the demons strengthen their attack against me, and I never touched the book again.  Turns out I was right.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #6 on: October 01, 2022, 03:43:50 PM »
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  • A priest suggested that I use that book to solve the lack of progress in my life, which he said was caused by demons (the problem was solved months later, but not by that book). 


    Novus Ordo priest, or someone from the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, etc?
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2022, 09:18:50 PM »
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  • I offer Yeti my thanks for initially pointing out this issue.


    Wow, you're welcome, buddy! And thank you for tracking this stuff down in St. Alphonsus and writing the letter to Fr. Ripperger. We'll see if they answer.

    Gee, I wish I got such a full-on reaction every time I condemned something around here! :laugh2:


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2022, 09:37:40 PM »
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  • I saw recently that Fr Jenkins was given a copy of the prayer book.  It will be interesting to see his response.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #9 on: October 02, 2022, 07:21:43 AM »
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  • Novus Ordo priest, or someone from the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, etc?

    NO with strong traditionalist leanings.  He thought Fr. Ripperger was kosher, so to speak.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #10 on: October 02, 2022, 07:44:06 AM »
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  • NO with strong traditionalist leanings.  He thought Fr. Ripperger was kosher, so to speak.
    Yes, Fr. Ripperger enjoys strong popularity among the conservative types of the Novus Ordo church.


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #11 on: October 03, 2022, 10:12:23 AM »
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  • Fr. Ripperger was such a scandal at St. Joan of Arc in Coeur d'Alene, ID that a large group of his parishioners appealed to the bishop to remove or discipline him.  The complaints involved financial mishandlings and inappropriate friendships with female parishioners.  He even had a minion harassing people on his behalf and police were involved.  This man is a public figure in rad-trad circles.  Fr. Ripperger was transferred to Tulsa shortly after the meeting with St. Joan of Arc parishioners with the bishop.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #12 on: October 03, 2022, 11:37:51 AM »
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  • I am amazed by this thread- but I agree on every word so far. Unfortunately, we actually have the book Deliverance Prayers for the Laity and now I can’t seem to find it in the house. In the past, I prayed only twice of some of the prayers in this book, but have not dealt with anything strange. 

    Many of our clergy in today’s society do not believe as much in the devil or the supernatural anymore- and so if someone was really possessed, it would be difficult to get an exorcist to come and visit such an individual. What a sad time we’re living in.
    “The good God does not need years to accomplish His work of Love in a soul; one ray from His Heart can, in an instant, make His flower bloom for eternity.” 
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #13 on: October 03, 2022, 12:11:00 PM »
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  • Lest this topic get buried in the lengthy argument on the other thread, "Father" Chad Ripperger has a following among Trads and has published a book "Deliverence Prayers for the Laity".  In addition to some normal prayers, wherein the faithful pray to God, Our Lady, and the saints to protect us from demons, Ripperger also includes various prayers wherein the laity are supposed to deliberately engage the demons and issue orders to them to depart, acting as lay exorcists.  "I cast you out ...", "I command you ...", etc.  I will cite specific examples later.

    So after many attempts in vain to get some justification for this practice in Traditional sources, we were pointed to St. Alphonsus, but St. Alphonsus unequivocally condemns the practice (despite Ripperger's blunder, misreading it to justify this novelty that had hitherto only been practiced by Prots who believe that they all have "priestly" authority).  Ripperger even adapted some Prot "Deliverence Prayers" to make them seem more Catholic.

    Attempting to directly engage demons and to command them is incredibly dangerous.  Do not be fooled by Ripperger posturing as a Traditional Catholic (as he actually denounces Traditional Catholics from the pulpit).

    I will cite the relevant passages, but St. Alphonsus discusses the subject of "Adjuration" (into which category exorcism falls).

    After defining it as the invocation of God, of holy things, or of the saints in order to get someone to do or not to do something, St. Alphonsus distinguishes not only between solemn and private exorcism (the former being the official Rites / ceremonies of the Church conducted by duly appointed ministers and the latter being anything else), but he also makes another separate distinction between two types of adjuration:

    Imperative (issuing commands) and Deprecatory (making requests).

    St. Alphonsus teaches that it's mortal sin to issue deprecatory adjurations to demons, and also states that imperative adjurations can ONLY be issued by 1) those in authority to their subjects, and 2) EXORCISTS to demons (as exorcists have the Church's authority over demons).

    So for those of us who are not Exorcists, 1) we have no authority to issue imperative adjurations to demons and 2) it would be grave sin to issue deprecatory adjurations to them (that would be a mortal sin even for an Exorcist, by the way).

    Consequently, Ripperger's novel (Prot-like) approach to deliverance prayers wherein the laity are encouraged to issue commands to demons is incredibly dangerous and could result in severe retaliation by the demons that do not acknowledge our authority over them.

    Traditional Catholics should avoid his books and his talks.

    Instead, we pray to God, to Our Lord, to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, to the angels (St. Michael and our Guardian Angels) to protect us, and, as St. Francis de Sales says, we are to ignore demons and not engage them, knowing that God is in total control over what they are allowed or not allowed to do to us.  We must avoid the itchy ears and the curiosity of wanting to dabble with and engage occult forces, as that is precisely how we open ourselves up to their greater influence in our affairs.  We use the Church's sacramentals (holy water, blessed salt, St. Benedict's medals, etc.) and consecrate ourselves to Our Blessed Mother, from whom the demons flee in terror.

    This is, BTW, probably how Pablo came under diabolical influence/control.

    Dear M. Szijarto-

    I believe this research may be your most valuable contribution to date, and wanted to thank you for doing the legwork researching. S. Alphonsus.

    I purchased Abbe Ripperger's book a year (or more) ago, but was never completely comfortable with reading it, precisely because I wondered about the prudence of using some of these prayers, and so it has sat upon my shelves unread, collecting dust.  Your post(s) rather serve to confirm my reluctance, and I will be depositing the book in the rubbish bin once I walk away from this computer.

    I am wondering if perhaps it might not be a good idea for you to forward your findings to some traditional priests for wider circulation and feedback, as it may help some people avoid the dangers you have recounted on the subject.

    Thanks again.
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #14 on: October 03, 2022, 12:13:53 PM »
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  • Fr. Ripperger was such a scandal at St. Joan of Arc in Coeur d'Alene, ID that a large group of his parishioners appealed to the bishop to remove or discipline him.  The complaints involved financial mishandlings and inappropriate friendships with female parishioners.  He even had a minion harassing people on his behalf and police were involved.  This man is a public figure in rad-trad circles.  Fr. Ripperger was transferred to Tulsa shortly after the meeting with St. Joan of Arc parishioners with the bishop.

    Interesting.  Normally, this might border on detraction, but I think that, since he's a public figure who has a lot of influence on people, i.e. perhaps persuading them that the Conciliar Church and the NOM are A-OK, reinforcing this constant notion of "obedience" to the Conciliar bishop being required for efficacious exorcism (in fact relating that ruse once about how the demon "left immediately" after, having asked Ripperger on whose authority he was performing the exorcism [as if he didn't know, right?], and the Ripperger responding the Bishop's name, this demon (pretended to) leave "immediately".  Then he's encouraging the Laity to directly engage demons and to indulge in excessive curiosity about them.  He excoriated even the Motu Trads for being uncharitable and impure ... for criticizing the Conciliar "Magisterium".  He seems to be monetizing his popularity that was created due to the sensationalism caused by dealing with the subjects that a lot of people are curious about.  I think that he was right about the jab, except some of his reasoning sounded a bit off (strange) when he spoke of "circuмstances" that might effect the morality of a decision.  Lots of bad fruits with this man, and he should be avoided by the "Trads".