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Offline Meg

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2023, 04:48:49 PM »
Church acts through the Exorcist priest.  It's because he's ordained by the Church to have that authority not because he invokes the name of the Lord.  Your attitude is very similar to that of the Prots, who all claim power over demons when invoking the name of the Lord, holding to some "priesthood" of believers concept.

You didn't answer the actual question. Who is it that is responsible to removing a demon, if it does leave? Is it the priest who does the removal, or is it Our Lord?

Fr. Ripperger says that we may only command them to leave in a limited capacity - only for those family members such as our children, or spouse, siblings, or legally adopted children, or our own self.

Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2023, 08:40:07 PM »
What has been the practice regarding commands over demons in the Eastern Churches, both Catholic and schismatic (since nearly all easterners were schismatic until modern times)?  Have they conceded authority to exorcise to laymen? If so, in what circuмstances? If not, case closed and avoid this deliverance prayer business unless you have been ordained or otherwise installed by competant ecclesiastical authority (which is absent in the Latin Church in these times).

I always try to resolve these issues by looking at what has been the historic practices across the universal church.


Offline Proselytize

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2023, 08:51:53 PM »
I was taught by a priest that when I was under difficult trials that I could pray
“By the power of His precious blood and Passion and death on the cross, get back into Hell, Satan.”
At that time in my life, it would bring peace. 

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2023, 10:58:21 PM »
While there are some prayers in his book that the faithful may use, the problem is with the prayers in there where the faithful are issuing commands to the demons.  Father bases this on a mistaken principle, that has no basis in Traditional Catholic theology, that we may issue commands to demons if they are afflicting those over whom we have authority.  But the Traditional teachers say you should have authority over the DEMONS that you're attempting to adjure (issue commands to).  So, the analogy I make is that I see a thief trying to steal my car.  I run over there and order him to stop because it's my car.  Chances are that he'll just kill me and continue taking the car.  Simply because we have authority over the individuals being afflicted by the demons, it does NOT follow that we have authority over the demons themselves.  St. Alphonsus said that one should be an Exorcist (i.e. have order of Exorcist or higher).  Demons are in a state of rebellion against God's authority.  Now, if we pray to the Guardian Angels of those who are under our authority and are being afflicted, those Angels WILL in fact heed our authority because, unlike the demons, they recognize and respect our authority, since it is the authority of God Himself as communicated to us.

While one might speculate that this might be the case, I have found no principle in Traditional Catholic theology demonstrating that our authority over afflicted individuals puts us in a position to issue commands to the demons themselves.  Father Ripperger at one point stated that he hasn't seen the demons engaging in any "retaliation" as a result, but that's a very anecdotal consideration.  I have heard some individuals stating that they seemed to experience or sense an increase in diabolical activity ... though that too is anecdotal.

In any case, I have yet to find a theological principle to back this up.  There's a huge danger here if he's wrong (and I think he is).  Why not just pray to Our Lady, the Terror or Demons; demons flee from her presence?  Why not make use of the Sacramentals, Holy Water, Blessed Salt, Saint Benedict medals, etc.?  Why not adjure the Guardian Angels of those being afflicted?  These latter will in fact heed your authority and are perfectly capable of shutting down the demonic activity?  What's the upside of issuing direct commands?  None.  What's the downside?  It could be catastrophic.

Now, Father Ripperger asserts that the principle can be found in St. Alphonsus, but I reviewed the citation in Latin and found that he was seriously misinterpreting it.

Recall that Malachi Martin's popularity and credibility were linked to his story telling of exorcisms and the demonic.

Father Ripperger has no doubt grown in popularity because of the same technique.


And I always get suspicious when I see the Jєωιѕн, Opus Dei Catholic, Taylor Marshall hobnobbing with the neo-trad celebrities.







Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2023, 12:52:45 AM »
What should we make of these prayers then?


Ecce Crucem Domini!
Fugite partes adversae!
Vicit Leo de tribu Iuda,
Radix David! Alleluia!
Behold the Cross of the Lord!
Be gone all evil powers!
The Lion of the tribe of Judah,
The root of David has conquered! Alleluia!


https://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Sancti/SAntoniusDePadova/EcceCrucem.html


Crux sacra sit mihi lux!

Nunquam draco sit mihi dux!

Vade retro Satana!
Nunquam suade mihi vana!

Sunt mala quae libas.
Ipse venena bibas!



The Holy Cross be my light;

Never the dragon be my guide.


Get behind me, Satan!
Never suggest vanities to me!

Evil are the things you pour,
Drink your own poison!



https://www.prayinglatin.com/st-benedict-medal/