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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2023, 04:17:20 PM »
Quote from: Meg on June 20, 2023, 12:34:41 PM
We can command them to leave only in the name of Our Lord ...

No we can't.  Because we don't have authority over them, we can't command them.  It doesn't matter if you add "in the name of Our Lord" ... it is still you who is attempting to do the commanding.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2023, 04:18:49 PM »
Quote from: Meg on June 20, 2023, 12:53:02 PM
Are you saying that we should just suffer everything that comes along without ever considering that there may be a diabolic influence? You give the impression that we should just suffer quietly, but isn't that what the puritans believed?

Where did I say that?  We pray to God, Our Lady, the angels and saints to "deliver" us and bring us relief.  But we do not command demons whom we imagine to be the cause of such things.
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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2023, 04:33:24 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 20, 2023, 04:17:20 PM
No we can't.  Because we don't have authority over them, we can't command them.  It doesn't matter if you add "in the name of Our Lord" ... it is still you who is attempting to do the commanding.

Okay, when an exorcist priest commands the demon to leave in the name of Our Lord, who is it that is causing the demon to leave (if it does leave)? Is it Our Lord, or the priest who causes the demon to actually leave?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2023, 04:43:02 PM »
Quote from: Meg on June 20, 2023, 04:33:24 PM
Okay, when an exorcist priest commands the demon to leave in the name of Our Lord, who is it that is causing the demon to leave (if it does leave)? Is it Our Lord, or the priest who causes the demon to actually leave?

Church acts through the Exorcist priest.  It's because he's ordained by the Church to have that authority not because he invokes the name of the Lord.  Your attitude is very similar to that of the Prots, who all claim power over demons when invoking the name of the Lord, holding to some "priesthood" of believers concept.
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Offline Meg

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2023, 04:44:40 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 20, 2023, 04:18:49 PM
Where did I say that?  We pray to God, Our Lady, the angels and saints to "deliver" us and bring us relief.  But we do not command demons whom we imagine to be the cause of such things.

If we are only imagining that demons are causing problems, then there won't be any effect whatsoever, of course, since the problem is only in our imagination. You seem to assume that it can only be an imaginary thing, and not real. And if that's the case, where is the problem?
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