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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #60 on: November 14, 2022, 08:33:34 PM »
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  • Lots of insinuating and assumptions regarding Fr Ripperger. 

    I keep seeing.... "Instead of using his prayer recommendations, instead invoke Our Lady, Our Lord, St Michael, our Gardian Angel. Use sacramentals as well."

    Well, fact is, Fr Ripperger recommends precisely those things. Actually, I can't find a single spiritual warfare prayer in his book Deliverance Prayers For Use By The Laity that doesn't invoke one or more of those listed above to do the binding or adjurations.

    I'd like to know what issues one may have with the Auxilium Christianorum prayers for example.

    http://auxiliumchristianorum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/dailyprayers.zip 

    One thing to note. There are two books of Auxilium Christianorum prayers. One for Clergy and one for Laity. If one happens upon the version for the clergy online and doesn't realize it's not the Laity version, then yes, it can be confusing. 

    Here is the clergy version..

    http://auxiliumchristianorum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/dailyprayerspriests.pdf

    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #61 on: November 17, 2022, 12:09:07 PM »
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  • Thank you for this. Fortunately for me, it did not seem to have done anything in particular to me. I stopped using it after only a short while, though, as it felt inconsistent to use it since he is NO "conservative."

    I kept listening to his sermons/talks. I couldn't square his apparent traditionalism/conservativism with the fact he wasn't even at least SSPX. He also comes off quite arrogant at times, and says things that are so uncharitable. One minute he is saying have compassion and that demons are everywhere and people have trauma they need help dealing with, then the next minute, he will condemn someone as weak because they haven't just "snapped out of it already" or just "manned up." He has been running the circuit of "trad" YouTube channels and has had interviews with just about everybody. I read in this thread that he had misconduct, possibly fairly serious. 

    Honestly, I bought his book because I wasn't baptized yet and I was desperate for something that made me feel more connected to the Church, something that would "make it real." I didn't pray with the intentions of engaging with the demons, though. It was more directed to my own self discipline and focus. Was definitely for the best I stopped using it.

    Despite buying the book, something about Ripperger is off. I never "trusted" him individually as a person, only his authority as a priest, but after researching more and more and fully understanding the sede position (and accepting that it's true), I see no reason to listen to him and have no choice but to view him as a likely grifter, tbh.
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #62 on: June 20, 2023, 06:51:22 AM »
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  • I've never seen a pre-Vatican II "Exorcism" prayer fror use by the Laity.  Of the "Exorcism" prayer tied to Pope Leo XIII, only the prayer to St. Michael is approved for use by the Laity, but the private / minor Exorcism part at the end comes with a WARNING (correctly so) that it is to be said by priests only.  It is termed "private" only because it's not the formal prayer in the Approved Official Exorcism Rite.  There's the Long Form of the St. Michael prayer, which has not adjuration of demons, but the accompanying Exorcist Adjuration is not intended for use by the faithful.


    Ahhh, regarding the long prayer, is the below prayer fine to say? I've been doing it every morning and the short version at night.
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    “O Glorious Prince of the heavenly host, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the terrible warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits. Come to the aid of man, whom Almighty God created immortal, made in His own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of Satan.

    “Fight this day the battle of the Lord, together with the holy angels, as already thou hast fought the leader of the proud angels, Lucifer, and his apostate host, who were powerless to resist thee, nor was there place for them any longer in Heaven. That cruel, ancient serpent, who is called the devil or Satan who seduces the whole world, was cast into the abyss with his angels. Behold, this primeval enemy and slayer of men has taken courage. Transformed into an angel of light, he wanders about with all the multitude of wicked spirits, invading the earth in order to blot out the name of God and of His Christ, to seize upon, slay and cast into eternal perdition souls destined for the crown of eternal glory. This wicked dragon pours out, as a most impure flood, the venom of his malice on men of depraved mind and corrupt heart, the spirit of lying, of impiety, of blasphemy, and the pestilent breath of impurity, and of every vice and iniquity.

    “These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.

    “Arise then, O invincible Prince, bring help against the attacks of the lost spirits to the people of God, and give them the victory. They venerate thee as their protector and patron; in thee holy Church glories as her defense against the malicious power of hell; to thee has God entrusted the souls of men to be established in heavenly beatitude. Oh, pray to the God of peace that He may put Satan under our feet, so far conquered that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity and harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that they may quickly find mercy in the sight of the Lord; and vanquishing the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, do thou again make him captive in the abyss, that he may no longer seduce the nations. Amen.

    V. Behold the Cross of the Lord; be scattered ye hostile powers.
    R. The Lion of the tribe of Judah has conquered, the root of David.
    V. Let Thy mercies be upon us, O Lord.
    R. As we have hoped in Thee.
    V. O Lord, hear my prayer.
    R. And let my cry come unto Thee.

    Let us pray.

    O God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, we call upon Thy holy Name, and as supplicants, we implore Thy clemency, that by the intercession of Mary, ever Virgin Immaculate and our Mother, and of the glorious St. Michael the Archangel, Thou wouldst deign to help us against Satan and all the other unclean spirits who wander about the world for the injury of the human race and the ruin of souls. Amen.”


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #63 on: June 20, 2023, 07:12:39 AM »
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  • Ahhh, regarding the long prayer, is the below prayer fine to say? I've been doing it every morning and the short version at night.

    This is a prayer to St. Michael and to God and Our Lady and others saints.  No issues with that at all.  Problem is with Father Ripperger's assertion that lay people can directly adjure (aka command) demons.  There's no theological foundation for that and it's extremely dangerous, as well as unnecessary.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #64 on: June 20, 2023, 07:51:44 AM »
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  • No, I can't find it offhand, but I've heard and seen it cited.  I can't recall which saint it was who so theorized.  Or was it Katherine Emmerick / Mary of Agreda or one of those private revelations.

    This rather makes sense to me, that they would despise the thought of being made subject to a human being, who would be their Queen.  I mean, after all, they would realize with their angelic intellects their subordination to God, since after all they did not create themselves.  If they would be so affected, even in the case of someone as exalted as Our Blessed Mother, imagine their reaction to a sinful lay person attempting to issue commands to them, say, with Pablo the Mexican attempting to lord it over them and issue commands.

    I would be surprised if Pablo did not come under serious diabolical influence (and/or control) as a direct result of his "lay exorcist" activities.  Perhaps some Traditional priest should look into whether or not it would make sense to perform at least a minor exorcism on the man.
    I would have thought that the devil and co were too 'smart' to rebel against God. I mean why throw yourself into a pit of fire?

    So needless to say, I don't know or understand the motive for Satan to sin. I can perhaps understanding Satan sinning by scandal causing 1/3 of the angels to sin with him.


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #65 on: June 20, 2023, 09:01:15 AM »
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  • Lots of insinuating and assumptions regarding Fr Ripperger.

    I keep seeing.... "Instead of using his prayer recommendations, instead invoke Our Lady, Our Lord, St Michael, our Gardian Angel. Use sacramentals as well."

    Well, fact is, Fr Ripperger recommends precisely those things. Actually, I can't find a single spiritual warfare prayer in his book Deliverance Prayers For Use By The Laity that doesn't invoke one or more of those listed above to do the binding or adjurations.

    I'd like to know what issues one may have with the Auxilium Christianorum prayers for example.

    http://auxiliumchristianorum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/dailyprayers.zip

    One thing to note. There are two books of Auxilium Christianorum prayers. One for Clergy and one for Laity. If one happens upon the version for the clergy online and doesn't realize it's not the Laity version, then yes, it can be confusing.

    Here is the clergy version..

    http://auxiliumchristianorum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/dailyprayerspriests.pdf
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    This is absurd. Prayers need to be approved by the Church. Ripperger's prayers do not have Church approval. We don't need to prove there's anything wrong with them.

    And again, we already have a vast number of prayers approved by the Church: the Our Father, Hail Mary, the rosary, all the hundreds of prayers in the Raccolta, Stations of the Cross, the litanies, etc. These prayers are proven to be good and eminently holy. Most of them even have indulgences attached. When you pray the so-called prayers of "Fr." Ripperger, that is time taken away from praying prayers that are known to be good. Why would anyone do this?

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #66 on: June 20, 2023, 09:10:29 AM »
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  • Hell was created after the angels sinned.  When they rebelled, they didn’t have hell fire as a consequence.  This makes sense because the angels, being pure intellect (ie no emotions) needed to either choose God or themselves (ie pride).  The bad angels chose themselves.  Hell was not part of the decision.  

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #67 on: June 20, 2023, 09:28:43 AM »
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    This is absurd. Prayers need to be approved by the Church. Ripperger's prayers do not have Church approval. We don't need to prove there's anything wrong with them.

    And again, we already have a vast number of prayers approved by the Church: the Our Father, Hail Mary, the rosary, all the hundreds of prayers in the Raccolta, Stations of the Cross, the litanies, etc. These prayers are proven to be good and eminently holy. Most of them even have indulgences attached. When you pray the so-called prayers of "Fr." Ripperger, that is time taken away from praying prayers that are known to be good. Why would anyone do this?

    I don't think that all prayers are to approved by the Church. That would mean that we could never pray anything but the set prayers. I don't think that the Church has ever said that only set prayers are to be prayed by the faithful.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #68 on: June 20, 2023, 09:40:13 AM »
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  • This is absurd. Prayers need to be approved by the Church. Ripperger's prayers do not have Church approval. We don't need to prove there's anything wrong with them.

    He adapted some Protestant prayers for "Deliverance" for his book.  Why?  Because there's no concept of "Deliverance" in traditional Catholic theology.  It's an entirely Protestant notion.  Some of the prayers are OK, even if not approved, but the ones I have problems with are the "adjuration" prayers, where the faithful are issuing commands to demons as if they have authority over them.  They don't.  Father Ripperger misinterpreted a passage in St. Alphonsus to come up with this notion.  It suffices for us lay faithful to pray to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, St. Michael and the other angels and saints, and to make use of the Sacramentals of the Church to ward off evil.  It's pretty arrogant, if you think about it, to pretend that our adjurations / commands to the demons have more effect than Our Lady, St. Michael, etc.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #69 on: June 20, 2023, 09:55:57 AM »
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  • Here is a paragraph from the introduction to Fr. Ripperger's book, "Deliverance Prayers: For Use By The Laity":

    "The Church in her wisdom and experience has always known that authority is one of the primary requisites in order to drive demons out. Since diabolic influence occurs in our bodies (and not in our souls), the laity may use prayers as long as they are not forbidden by the Church and which, by their nature, do not imply an authority one does not have. It is for this reason that this book has been put together, viz. to provide the laity with prayers they can use licitly and without retaliation. For it is when we remain under the authority structure that God has established by the divine positive law (i.e., the authority of the Church) and the natural law, that we remain protected. For this reason, if the laity always remain within the confines of the authority that God has given to them by the natural law, such as commanding demons to leave their own bodies or those over whom they have authority by natural law (such as children or wife, etc.) then they will experience little to no retaliation, as a general rule."

    All of the deliverance prayers recommended by use of the laity are always prayed in the name of Our Lord Jesus, or His Blessed Mother. Or through the intercession of St. Michael and other saints.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #70 on: June 20, 2023, 10:14:37 AM »
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  • My understanding of authority is that the priests have zero authority over the demons, except what has been delegated to them by their bishop, by virtue of his authority over the diocese, and the fact that the demon is trespassing in that diocese.  That being the case, it would seem that a man has similar authority over his house, over his wife, and over his children.  If any of those are being trespassed upon by demons, it would seem that a man has authority to command them to leave.  Just as a man has the authority to tell a human intruder to leave his property, but has no such authority to tell him to leave the neighborhood, it would seem that a man has similar spiritual authority and responsibilities over his home and family.  


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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #71 on: June 20, 2023, 10:52:44 AM »
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  • He adapted some Protestant prayers for "Deliverance" for his book.  Why?  Because there's no concept of "Deliverance" in traditional Catholic theology.  It's an entirely Protestant notion.  Some of the prayers are OK, even if not approved, but the ones I have problems with are the "adjuration" prayers, where the faithful are issuing commands to demons as if they have authority over them.  They don't.  Father Ripperger misinterpreted a passage in St. Alphonsus to come up with this notion.  It suffices for us lay faithful to pray to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, St. Michael and the other angels and saints, and to make use of the Sacramentals of the Church to ward off evil.  It's pretty arrogant, if you think about it, to pretend that our adjurations / commands to the demons have more effect than Our Lady, St. Michael, etc.
    Because Ripperger is a televangelist in Catholic garb. Incredibly popular in media, almost a celebrity in some circles, and basically making up his own theology that people go with.
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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #72 on: June 20, 2023, 11:41:58 AM »
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  • Because Ripperger is a televangelist in Catholic garb. Incredibly popular in media, almost a celebrity in some circles, and basically making up his own theology that people go with.

    Indeed.  He became famous precisely because of his dealing with the subject of Exorcism ... since it gets a lot of attention from curiosity-seekers.  It's very sensationalistic stuff.  Otherwise, he'd be just another Motarian type of neo-Trad priest, which one can find for a dime a dozen.

    Unfortunately, though, he's that much more dangerous because he presents himself as a Traditionalist.  In some respects, he is, but his approach to Exorcism and demonology is just off base and can do a lot of harm and is very dangerous, but because he's "Traddy", people give him more credibility in that matter than he deserves.

    Apart from the problem with lay people adjuring demons, ala Pablo the Lay Exorcist, which is strictly forbidden by Traditional Catholic moral authorities, he also fosters an excessive curiosity about and engagement with demons.

    In his books, I kid you not, he has demons for everything ... not excluding a demon of flatulence.  He fosters a mentality where as soon as anything goes wrong for someone, it must be due to demonic activity.  If I experience flatulence, it must be caused by some demon, and not the large helping of asparagus or beans that I had for dinner.  If you have financial problems, it's a demon.  If you have any other issue, it's a demon.  Last I checked, even our temptations can come not only from demons, but also from the flesh and from the world.  Not everything has a diabolical cause.  But if some demon is afflicting my finances, or whatever, then it's because and only because God has allowed it to.  God is in ultimate control, so we turn to God.  Fr. Ripperger also makes a big deal about trying to find out the name or title of each demon, as if 1) by somehow knowing this we have more power over the demon (seems highly superstitious) and 2) Our Lady, the angels, and the saints, don't know which demons are afflicting us and can't dispel them regardless of who or what they are.

    Between these two things, it leads to lay people developing excessive curiosity about and engagement with demonic forces ... and THAT is where the danger is.  St. Francis de Sales likened demons to ferocious dogs on a chain.  They'll bark and growl and attempt to terrify you, but they're on God's chain and cannot do anything more than what God permits.  He advises ignoring them and turning to God instead.  It's when we develop a curiosity about this dog and decide to approach and draw closer that he might actually become a threat to us.

    I also found his one talk about Traditional Catholics both unfair/slanderous and inaccurate.  Certainly, there are certain temptations or tendencies among Traditional Catholics that the devil will attempt to exploit, but Father's allegation that Traditional Catholics (allegedly gleaned from hearing Confessions) are much more prone to sins of impurity than Conciliars is downright false and is slanderous.  He has a very poor sample size as Conciliars who are mired in sin simply tend not to go to Confession.  In your average Conciliar parish of 10,000 families, you'll be lucky if 5-10 people show up every Saturday for the 30-minute Confession window, and it's usually the same 5-10 people.  99.9% of Novus Ordites just don't go to Confession.  And the Novus Ordites are mired in impurity ... and don't care.  They fornicate, shack up, go from one impurity to the next, and don't Confess these as sins, and march up to "Holy Communion" by the thousands anyway.  At least the Trads who are afflicted with such sins are trying to overcome them and are going to Confession.  He also holds that it's pride and arrogance for Traditional Catholics to criticize the practices of the Novus Ordites, such as Communion in the Hand, etc.  That's nonsense.  While it can lead to pride, and we always have to realize that there but for the grace of God go we, but we don't suddenly call evil good and good evil because it would be "judgmental".  That's along the lines of Jorge's "Who am I to judge?" thinking.  In any case, Father's denunciation of Traditional Catholics came across as very arrogant and judgmental (ironically).  In general, I sense a strong arrogance in his tone of voice when he delivers talks.  I fear that he'll experience some major fall himself as a result of his engagement with demons and his own pride (he needs to inspect his own eye first for the beam).  Oh, on that point, his conversations and dialoguing with demons is also strictly forbidden by authorities such as St. Alphonsus and St. Thomas Aquinas.  Both state that unless one is acting under a special inspiration, such as a saint might be, it is strictly forbidden to engage the demon in any kind of dialogue.  Apart from anything else, the information you get from them is worthless, since demons have been known to lie.  But it's also dangerous, and forbidden, according to these Catholic authorities, and yet Father Ripperger seems to be having casual fireside chats with demons.

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #73 on: June 20, 2023, 11:59:56 AM »
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  • Between these two things, it leads to lay people developing excessive curiosity about and engagement with demonic forces ... and THAT is where the danger is.  St. Francis de Sales likened demons to ferocious dogs on a chain.  They'll bark and growl and attempt to terrify you, but they're on God's chain and cannot do anything more than what God permits.  He advises ignoring them and turning to God instead.  It's when we develop a curiosity about this dog and decide to approach and draw closer that he might actually become a threat to us.

    I agree that excessive curiosity regarding demonic forces is a danger - it's what the charismatics tend to do - and it causes them trouble. I agree too that the demons are on a chain controlled by God, and that they cannot do more than He allows. And yes, often they can be ignored, but not always. There ARE times when the diabolic causes serious trouble in one's life. If you've never had this problem in your family, then it may be difficult for you to understand, and you should count yourself fortunate. Praying that a loved one is released from any diabolic control IS turning to God, either through his Son, or Our Lady. And there's nothing wrong with wanting our loved one to be free from diabolic influence. Our guardian angels can also help. Who else would we turn to?

    Do you perhaps believe that the diabolic can never really be a problem for traditional Catholics?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
    « Reply #74 on: June 20, 2023, 12:05:12 PM »
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  • While I agree that the attempts of some of these pseudo-trad priests to put traditionalists in their place and get them to check their egos, borders on slander a la Jorge, and that Fr. Ripperger has been one of these, I don’t find that he blames everything that goes wrong in your life on demons.  In fact, he states the world and the flesh are just as much the cause of sin as is the Devil, in one of his most popular early talks.  “The Devil is not under every stone.  He’s under every other one.”