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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2022, 10:45:21 PM »
BTW, I'm no fan of the Warrens whatsoever.  I think they exhibited and promoted an unhealthy curiosity about the occult, and have probably caused more people to get ensnared in it than they helped get out of it.  Except for very rare occasions, the Church has always avoid publicizing a lot of detail about Exorcisms and the occult.  It's very unhealthy for Catholics to spend any time thinking about it.  We absolutely know (by faith) that they are all around us trying to destroy and ensnare.  But that does not mean we should be focused on them.  We turn our gaze rather to God and Our Blessed Mother.

Like the analogy from St. Frances de Sales, the demons are like barking dogs on a leash that is held by God.  Their barking is intended to agitate and frighten us, but they advise that we igore them and turn to God and Our Blessed Mother for comfort and protection, but to ignore the demons themselves.  They can do absolutely nothing of their own volition.  But if out of curiosity we approach the dog, THAT is when we ca get bitten and mauled.

I recall an old Tom & Jerry cartoon episode.  Tom (the cat) keep harrassing this dog Butch.  Butch was on a leash and could only go so far.  At one point, Tom went over and drew a line in the sand to indicate how far the leash could go.  So he would walk right up to the line, antagonize the dog so that it came out barking and would then stand there beating the dog with a baseball bat and other things, safely on the other side of the line, smugly thinking he couldn't be hurt.  Well, at one point, Butch wised up to this.  So he secretly erased the original line and drew a new one that was closer and within the reach of his leash.  Next time Tom tried the stunt, the dog immediately pounce on him and mauled him ... much to Tom's surpise and shock.  That is what all this reminds me of.  By engaging demons, getting too close to them or preoccupied with them, we are putting ourselves at great risk, and it can cause us to lose our peace of soul.  I've known some people who were so "tuned to" the presence of demons that it deeply disturbed their peace and IMO made them more susceptible to opening the door to demonic activity that is otherwise held closed by God.  I agree with the Dimond Brothers when they say that the reason that demons cause various disturbances and things like hauntings, is precisely to get the people to engage with them and thus open the door to greater interference and involvement in their affairs.

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2022, 10:58:13 PM »
BTW, I'm no fan of the Warrens whatsoever.  I think they exhibited and promoted an unhealthy curiosity about the occult, and have probably caused more people to get ensnared in it than they helped get out of it. 
I think the positive of the Warrens' popularity comes from what you stated about making people realize the preternatural is real. Other than that, I do share your sentiments. I remember watching a tour of their "occult museum" after seeing the Conjuring 3, and thinking to myself how much better it would be if that place burned down rather than serve as a curiosity. It's right back to the same error that comes from the vain curiosity of programs like Ghost Adventures or Ghost Hunters, which encourages people to open doors to the demonic by acknowledging preternatural events. And, in turn, puffs up Catholics to think they can fight the Devil directly. Forgetting just how unimaginably powerful they are as angelic minds.


Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2022, 01:06:12 AM »
"I answer that, As stated in the preceding article, there are two ways of adjuring: one by way of prayer or inducement through reverence of some holy thing: the other by way of compulsion. In the first way it is not lawful to adjure the demons because such a way seems to savor of benevolence or friendship, which it is unlawful to bear towards the demons. As to the second kind of adjuration, which is by compulsion, we may lawfully use it for some purposes, and not for others. For during the course of this life the demons are our adversaries: and their actions are not subject to our disposal but to that of God and the holy angels, because, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii, 4), "the rebel spirit is ruled by the just spirit." Accordingly we may repulse the demons, as being our enemies, by adjuring them through the power of God's name, lest they do us harm of soul or body, in accord with the Divine power given by Christ, as recorded by Lk. 10:19: "Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you."

Aquin.: SMT SS Q[90] A[2] Body Para. 2/2
And Lad, you say,"St. Thomas explained that it's grave sin to issue a deprecatory request to demons because it puts us in fellowship with them."

Imprecatory = Inducement
Deprecatory = Compulsion

Well, you are implying St Thomas says the opposite of what I cited he said. Where can one find such ? Were you paraphrasing ? Misunderstanding perhaps ?

You are allowing your feelings and emotions bloom into bursts of hyperbole and equating, for example, conjuring with Adjuration.

It's hard to discuss something with you under those conditions.

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2022, 01:18:41 AM »
Reply at your leisure, I'm going to bed.
Pax

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2022, 10:12:30 PM »
Hello Ladislaus.

Did Fr. Ripperger or the Doloran Fathers respond to your letter?