Author Topic: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons (Read 50978 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #25 on:** October 04, 2022, 12:20:12 AM »

Quote from: HolyAngels on October 03, 2022, 11:28:57 PM

I'm sorry but you are just making stuff up and redefining terms on a whim.

Apart from the "conjuring", I'm making nothing up, but clearly showed what both St. Alphonsus and St. Thomas taught. I used "conjuring" because that is in fact going to be the end result of what you're doing.

You on the other hand have been lying from the outset, initially that Ripperger had no such prayers in his books, then you lied by claiming that the Church Fathers, Doctors, and saints backed up Ripperger ... without having any knowledge of that being true. Took you 2 days to come up with a citation (or non-citation) from Ripperger. When I finally found the source, St. Alphonsus, he taught the exact opposite of what Ripperger and you (clearly having never read it) were claiming. Then you cited NewAdvent, claimig that "St. Thomas is enough for [you]" ... except that there was no actual citation from St. Thomas. ANYthing is enough for you because you've arrogantly made up your mind to continue promoting this garbage. And upon finding the writing of St. Thomas, he too said absolutely nothing of the sort that was claimed by NewAdvent. Then you lied by claiming that the Leo XIII Exorcism Prayer (not the accompanying St. Michael prayer) was intended for use by the faithful, but Ratzinger clearly (and rightly) rejected that idea.

Take this garbage and your Ripperger fan club somewhere else. If you want to start up your own Lay Exorcist Troupe, then by all means go head.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #26 on:** October 04, 2022, 12:29:25 AM »

Ratzinger rejects the notion of "Deliverence" (as in the very title of Ripperger's book) by name (defining it as where the Laity are attemtping to cast out demons even if short of attempting formal exorcisms). Ratzinger rejects attempting to address and to identify demons ... both of which Ripperger promotes. Finally, Ratzinger rightly says that the faithful should have recourse to Our Lady, the Angels, and the Saints.

Why exactly doesn't it suffice to you to seek the protection of God, Our Blessed Mother, and the Angels? You think that you have superior demon-fighting powers than than theirs? Just one tiny subtle thought or impulse like that when engaging demons is enough to get you possessed. You need to think about what you're doing in promoting this trash.

HolyAngels · « **Reply #27 on:** October 04, 2022, 06:08:31 AM »

Pride

That's what got the demons in trouble.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #28 on:** October 04, 2022, 09:04:45 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 03, 2022, 12:13:53 PM

Interesting. Normally, this might border on detraction, but I think that, since he's a public figure who has a lot of influence on people, i.e. perhaps persuading them that the Conciliar Church and the NOM are A-OK, reinforcing this constant notion of "obedience" to the Conciliar bishop being required for efficacious exorcism (in fact relating that ruse once about how the demon "left immediately" after, having asked Ripperger on whose authority he was performing the exorcism [as if he didn't know, right?], and the Ripperger responding the Bishop's name, this demon (pretended to) leave "immediately". Then he's encouraging the Laity to directly engage demons and to indulge in excessive curiosity about them. He excoriated even the Motu Trads for being uncharitable and impure ... for criticizing the Conciliar "Magisterium". He seems to be monetizing his popularity that was created due to the sensationalism caused by dealing with the subjects that a lot of people are curious about. I think that he was right about the jab, except some of his reasoning sounded a bit off (strange) when he spoke of "circuмstances" that might effect the morality of a decision. Lots of bad fruits with this man, and he should be avoided by the "Trads".

What I posted is publicly known in Idaho and he is a public figure so I don't believe it to be detractionary (is that a word?). And since Fr Ripperger's judgment is being called into question I thought it relevant information.

HolyAngels · « **Reply #29 on:** October 04, 2022, 10:56:55 AM »

"I answer that, As stated in the preceding article, there are two ways of adjuring: one by way of prayer or inducement through reverence of some holy thing: the other by way of compulsion. In the first way it is not lawful to adjure the demons because such a way seems to savor of benevolence or friendship, which it is unlawful to bear towards the demons. As to the second kind of adjuration, which is by compulsion, we may lawfully use it for some purposes, and not for others. For during the course of this life the demons are our adversaries: and their actions are not subject to our disposal but to that of God and the holy angels, because, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii, 4), "the rebel spirit is ruled by the just spirit." Accordingly we may repulse the demons, as being our enemies, by adjuring them through the power of God's name, lest they do us harm of soul or body, in accord with the Divine power given by Christ, as recorded by Lk. 10:19: "Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you."

Aquin.: SMT SS Q[90] A[2] Body Para. 2/2

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