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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2022, 12:25:04 PM »
Thanks Lad. A lot of people I know are into Ripperger and they really need to hear these things.

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2022, 12:29:31 PM »
Dear M. Szijarto-

I believe this research may be your most valuable contribution to date, and wanted to thank you for doing the legwork researching. S. Alphonsus.

I purchased Abbe Ripperger's book a year (or more) ago, but was never completely comfortable with reading it, precisely because I wondered about the prudence of using some of these prayers, and so it has sat upon my shelves unread, collecting dust.  Your post(s) rather serve to confirm my reluctance, and I will be depositing the book in the rubbish bin once I walk away from this computer.

I am wondering if perhaps it might not be a good idea for you to forward your findings to some traditional priests for wider circulation and feedback, as it may help some people avoid the dangers you have recounted on the subject.

Thanks again.

You're most welcome.  Again, I too have a copy of his book, and did use some of these prayers and, like you, felt somehow uncomfortable with them.  I almost sensed an increase of some kind of activity (though I couldn't quite put a finger on it).

It was Yeti who first pointed out the fact that there was no Traditional precedent for the Laity to engage with demons, issuing commands, "imperative adjuration," to demons.  I also harkened back to Matthew's criticism of Pablo being the "Lay Exorcist".  Another thing that bothered me was the very title "Deliverance Prayers".  "Deliverance" is a decidedly Protestant term, and in all the years I've read books by the saints about spirituality, and various theology manuals, etc., I have never seen this term used by Catholics, nor did I recall any Father, Doctor, or saint encouraging the faithful to take on demons.

So I kept pressing Ripperger's defenders to cite the evidence.  Eventually HolyAngels did so, but the reference wasn't clear, except that it was to St. Alphonsus on Adjurations, which led me to find the passages.

I was quite sincere in saying that if even a single citation by an approved Catholic source (Father, Doctor, saint) could have been produced, I would have reconsidered, retracted my criticism, and apologized to both Ripperger and to HolyAngels, etc.

Also, I am not referring to Ripperger without the "Father" out of contempt or disrespect, but merely to underscore the fact that some of us hold his Orders in doubt, and that is especially crucial with regard to his credibility as an Exorcist.  So I mean to call that out.

I pray that 1) Father Ripperger would become a true Traditional Catholic and that 2) he would retract the prayers he published and his encouragement for the Laity to say them.

I recall that one "priest" who recently left FSSP and who had the honesty to question the validity of his own Holy Orders, and I pray that he too find someone to ordain him, as he would make a fine priest.  Similarly, Ripperger also has talent that could be put to better use serving God.


Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2022, 12:32:39 PM »
I sent the following message to Father Ripperger's group, the Doloran Fathers --
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Dear Fathers,

Father Chad Ripperger's encouragement of the laity to make imperative adjuration of demons is extremely dangerous and represents a misreading and misinterpretation of St. Alphonsus.  St. Alphonsus makes a distinction not only between solemn and private, but also a separate distinction between imperative and deprecatory.  Father conflates the two sets of distinctions, leading to a false conclusion.  Deprecatory adjuration of demons is forbidden (under pain of mortal sin) not only to Laity but even to Exorcists.  Imperative Adjuration, however, is permitted or applicable ONLY (Latin tantum) to 

1) those in authority to their subordinates and

2) Exorcists to demons (just an extension of the first category, as Exorcists have authority over demons). 

This notion that the Laity have authority to issue imperative adjuration to demons when they afflict those under our authority is a novelty.  Nowhere is it stated that it is permitted to issue these adjurations to the bad actors afflicting those under our authority, but only to those under our own authority.  This is a dangerous and novel practice, more akin to recent Protestant "Deliverance" Prayer (a term not known to Catholics) than to any Traditional Catholic practice, and Father Ripperger needs to retract this false theology lest it cause serious harm due to demonic retaliation, his anecdotal assertion that such has not been "reported" notwithstanding. 

Catholics recognize that God is in total control of what demons are permitted or not permitted to do, and we are content to pray with simple confidence to God, Our Lord, Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, to St. Michael and the Guardian Angels, as being much more efficacious than our own personal adjuration to demons. 

This practice has also led to an unhealthy curiosity among the faithful about demonic activity, and curiosity about and engagement with demonic and occult forces is one of the surest ways to open the door to their having a greater influence in our affairs.  This notion of wanting to find out the names of the specific evil spirits afflicting us, as if this knowledge would give us greater "power" over them, smacks of superstition.  We can simply trust Our Blessed Mother and ask her, "Please dispel and put to flight WHATEVER demons may be afflicting ur or ours."  We can in fact adjure our Angels and our Guardian angels, and those of our wives and children, in deprecatory fashion, appealing to our authority over our loved ones and ask them to enforce this authority against demonic forces, and that is truly efficacious, as they are, unlike their demonic counterparts, very much inclined to enforce our authority over our loved ones as being the authority of God Himself. 

There's a subtle insinuation in Father's approach that demonic forces are responsible for nearly all ills that afflict us, down to financial problems, rather than some of these being the consequences of our own sins, and temptations also from the flesh and the world (and not just the devil).  This thinking also appeals to those who might wish to offload responsibility for their sins and failings onto some demon, and, what's more, even some demon that their great-great-great grandfather has introduced into the family line.  So, when I look at pornography, it's my great-great-great-grandfather's fault, right?  This thinking is both dangerous and unhealthy, and yet Father Ripperger has attained to a somewhat celebrity status by appealing to the natural itchy ears and curiosity about such matters among the faithful, not unlike those shows about "Ghost Hunters" have done in the secular world.  This is wrong, it's harmful, and it's dangerous. 

Finally, St. Alphonsus also teaches it to be mortal sin  for the Exorcist to interrogate demons about any matters not directly related to extirpating the demon from harassing the obsessed ... and at least a venial since if done infrequently.  Among other things, demons are known to LIE, and whatever they say should not be reported or disseminated, such as when demons claim that the time of their power is coming to a close.  Again, this smacks of getting attention and hits for a celebrity's social media presence. 

Father has also uncharitably attacked a false caricature of "Traditional Catholics," of whom I am one, from the pulpit.  While certainly many Traditional Catholics are afflicted with some of the tendencies he has outlined, the assertion that "Trads" (a derogatory term) are even more prone to sins of impurity than their Conciliar counterparts, is completely false and slanderous.  We have the entire world awash with impurity, and the "Trads" I know are at least battling against these vices, while the Conciliarists often celebrate them (including vices against nature, such as sodomy and transgenderism), and the simple fact is that in a typical Conciliar parish of 10,000 you might have 3-4 show up for the 30 minute Confession window on a Saturday afternoon, while all 10,000 march up to receive Holy Communion on Sunday, and so hearing Confessions of "Trads" who feel the need to confess, is no indicator of this purely anecdotal assertion that Trads are more impure on account of pride, as these "statistics" are inherently skewed. 

Allegations of "Gnosticism" are also absurd when this adherence to truth rests firmly on a devotion to and subjection to the Church's own teaching, whereas 90%+ of the Conciliarists, by their own polls, reject one Catholic dogma or another ... including the vast majority of the Conciliar Bishops.  It is not sinful or proud to call these wolves in sheep's clothing out for teaching heresy and misleading the faithful, leading souls to hell.  St. Paul bids us to reject those who preach another Gospel, be it himself or one posing as an angel of light.  Father adopts a very condescending and, ironically, arrogant and "Gnostic" tone himself in his condemnation of "Trads", as if somehow he alone holds the key to the "true" balance between the extremes of Trads and the errors of the Conciliar Church. 

I appeal to Father Ripperger to prayerfully consider these points and to undo the possible damage he's done by promoting the direct engagement of the Laity with demonic spirits, attempting to issue imperative adjurations and exercising inordinate curiosity about demonic and occult matters.

God bless you,
Laszlo Szijarto

M. Szijarto-

In the interest of inducing more people to read your letter, I took the liberty of reintroducing the formatting, which was lost when you posted it here (see above; it might not be exactly the way you originally had it, but it will be close, and you can subsequently quote my post to make any corrections).

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Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2022, 02:02:08 PM »
M. Szijarto-

In the interest of inducing more people to read your letter, I took the liberty of reintroducing the formatting, which was lost when you posted it here (see above; it might not be exactly the way you originally had it, but it will be close, and you can subsequently quote my post to make any corrections).

Thank you. I initially typed this into the web form of the Doloran Fathers' website, which does not provide much formatting capability, so it was entirely raw text.  I do see a couple of typos left that slipped past me, but it matters not ... as I think it's very important for Catholics not to be taken in by the Traditional veneer into engaging demonic forces and essentially attempting to exorcise them directly.  That can be extremely dangerous.  (Father) Ripperger asserts that he's not heard reports of "retaliation" against these, and yet at another time during a talk he mentioned that there might be an uptick in demonic activity upon beginning to use these prayers (presumably some kind of demonic Herxheimer reaction?) ... but that uptick could in fact represent a just such a retaliation.  And when speaking to demons, Catholics could in fact slip into saying or thinking things that might put them at great risk, almost belligerently challenging the demon, getting cocky and overestimating their own "power".  We should flee from the demons into the arms of Our Blessed Mother, who will surely protect us.  They can't come near her.  Do I really believe that my prayers, due to their ex opere operantis efficacy have more power than what Our Lady, our Guardian Angels, and Our Lord God have against them?  Isn't this notion exactly the opposite of the humility that Catholics have in asking for Our Lady and the saints to intercede for us, precisely because we know that their merits are so much greater and their prayers so muh more pleasing to God and more likely to be answered?  That's another reason why this savors of Protestantism.  Protestants disdain the intercession of Our Blessed Mother and the saints, while believing themselves somehow empowered against demons by virtue of their "faith".  That's another clear indication that these types of prayers have their roots firmly in Protestantism.

Re: WARNING: Avoid Ripperger's Prayers Adjuring Demons
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2022, 07:52:54 PM »
Since this is about the other thread on Ripperger, here is the most recent reply I posted on that one.

(And Lad's thread gets a free bump)

"I don't know what to say. Everyone wants pre-vatican 2 sources. The photo I posted of the preface on the copy of the long form St Michael prayer stated that the laity could pray it in private. At the end of the prayer there's an imprimatur.

Both of Ripperger's books in question have an imprimatur. He says we can adjure demons in private.

The Catholic encyclopedia article has an Imprimatur. It states all laity may adjure privately.

Two of three bishops, pre VII. Three bishops and a priest that studied theology. All probably have degrees in theology.

Your conclusion doesn't have an Imprimatur. Neither does my opinion.

I dunno. My understanding is that an Imprimatur is a traditional means of implying a work is free of error.

Which way am I supposed to lean as a Catholic ?"


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