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Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Geremia on October 14, 2014, 10:56:53 PM
Michael Voris asks Abp. Forte some tough questions at the Synod press conference (@3:36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PajgVWtgx1M#t=3m36s)):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/PajgVWtgx1M[/youtube]
Abp. Forte is the one who "acted on his own with language on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity (http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=9039.msg193743#msg193743)":
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/cardinal-on-his-own-reports-paragraphs.html
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: BTNYC on October 14, 2014, 11:44:20 PM
Simple, straightforward questions that get the most convoluted, dishonest, circuмlocuting non-answer imaginable.  

These smirking, sanctimonious, lying modernist Judases make me want to retch.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Geremia on October 14, 2014, 11:56:53 PM
Quote from: BTNYC
Simple, straightforward questions that get the most convoluted, dishonest, circuмlocuting non-answer imaginable.  

These smirking, sanctimonious, lying modernist Judases make me want to retch.
Yeah, really, "ontological"? Shows the philosophical principles of these Modernists are Kantian.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: The Penny Catechism on October 15, 2014, 12:58:23 AM
Pg. 50 "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community."

a total strawman philosophy of the new religion to deny an objective moral standard.

done by drawing your attention away from identifying sins against the 6th Commandment; let alone a well defined Catholic belief of one of the sins crying out to Heaven for vengeance

I.O.W.:

"Murderers have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community."

"Rapists have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community."


...that carried to it's conclusion in perseverance will lead a soul into hell.


The Cardinal/Bishop interviewed is not Catholic. Therefore, his responses won't be that of a Catholic.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: ggreg on October 15, 2014, 04:15:12 AM
Retreat at Sea  :roll-laugh1:

A drug company needs to investigate whatever is making that man's hair grow.  I have never seen anything like it from a human being.  If they could crack the secret they would make billions of dollars

He's like one of those Playdoh barber's shop toys, Fuzzy Pumper from the late 1970s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK49s65L7eA&sns=em


Watch out Rome!!  If Voris ever realises what a sucker he has been, he will shoulder up to those pillars on St. Peter's and bring the whole thing crashing down on the prelates.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Stubborn on October 15, 2014, 05:07:42 AM
The fact that sodomites are even considered a subject at all at a synod "on the family" is enough to know that the entire agenda consists of nothing but  evil straight from hell.

Whenever the destroyers speak, I try to remember these words of Fr. Wathen:

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They are bent on destroying the Church, but not on obliterating it.

There are certain aspects of it which they want very much to keep, such as its historical continuity, its prestige, its authority, its moral influence, some of its wealth, its name, its membership. They will keep these because there is not a corporate entity on earth, political or religious, which would not like to have them within its power. Even now it is the largest and most homogeneous such body in the world.
 

It seems as though they could obliterate the Church so easily and at any time they want, but God would never let them go that far and they would not send to hell as many souls that way.

Wait till Our Lord gets a hold of them.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: ggreg on October 15, 2014, 06:09:12 AM
A "Dog and Pony show"

Careful what you wish for.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Binechi on October 15, 2014, 06:42:46 AM
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He's like one of those Playdoh barber's shop toys, Fuzzy Pumper from the late 1970s


At least he (voris) has the fortitude (guts) to be there and ask the tough questions.  

Where are the Traditional leaders on this one.  Why are they not there . ?
SSPX , etc   ?     Hey ...

What say you ?
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: cassini on October 16, 2014, 11:29:47 AM
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He's like one of those Playdoh barber's shop toys, Fuzzy Pumper from the late 1970s


At least he (voris) has the fortitude (guts) to be there and ask the tough questions.  

Where are the Traditional leaders on this one.  Why are they not there . ?
SSPX , etc   ?     Hey ...

What say you ?


I cou;d not agree with you more Director.


Voris's achilles heel is that fact that he refused to put any blame for the 'Church of Nice' on any pope.

Even in his latest brilliant account he asks the Pope to intervene and restore traditional Catholic teaching even though it is the Pope's apointees that are at the heart of the REFORMATION 2014.

When Francis gives his tuppence worth of Modernism at some stage we will see if Voris has the ***** (no - hairs) to point out to his viewers he as pope is behind all of this.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Disputaciones on October 16, 2014, 11:44:04 AM
Quote from: ggreg
Watch out Rome!!  If Voris ever realises what a sucker he has been, he will shoulder up to those pillars on St. Peter's and bring the whole thing crashing down on the prelates.


What? You think he doesn't know? Voris is just a deceiver keeping people united to this false sect and doing the work of the Devil with his Ignoretex.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Geremia on October 19, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Stubborn
It seems as though they could obliterate the Church so easily and at any time they want, but God would never let them go that far and they would not send to hell as many souls that way.
The Freemasons realize they cannot obliterate the Church, so they Church to infiltrate her and use her for their wicked purposes. (See the Alta Vendita's Permanent Instruction (http://Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყwatch.org/alta_vendita.html) or Piccolo Tigre's letter in this book (http://modernism.us.to/War%20of%20Anti-Christ%20with%20the%20Church%20and%20Christian%20Civilization%20(Msgr.%20Dillon).pdf).)
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: ThomisticPhilosopher on October 19, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
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He's like one of those Playdoh barber's shop toys, Fuzzy Pumper from the late 1970s


At least he (voris) has the fortitude (guts) to be there and ask the tough questions.  

Where are the Traditional leaders on this one.  Why are they not there . ?
SSPX , etc   ?     Hey ...

What say you ?


 :facepalm:

Do you think they would allow someone like us there?

I met Voris, and he definitely seems like a very good willed sincere person. I certainly think that he will sooner rather then later, realize his mistakes with regards to the papacy and other traditional issues.

It is very difficult to get out of the "work inside" the Church mentality. They are taking as their premise that it is the Catholic Church they are working for, and not a false Church, the false bride, an anti-Christ organization bent on Hell destructive dogma denying heretics.

Voris would certainly do a lot of good when he gets out of the Novus Ordo. Just like Dr. Thomas Drolesky did and many other respected Catholics who were working inside of the Conciliar structure.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Geremia on October 19, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
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Voris would certainly do a lot of good when he gets out of the Novus Ordo. Just like Dr. Thomas Drolesky did and many other respected Catholics who were working inside of the Conciliar structure.
Who's Thomas Drolesky?
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: ThomisticPhilosopher on October 19, 2014, 07:27:41 PM
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Voris would certainly do a lot of good when he gets out of the Novus Ordo. Just like Dr. Thomas Drolesky did and many other respected Catholics who were working inside of the Conciliar structure.
Who's Thomas Drolesky?


He is the one who moderated the debate between Mr. John Lane and Mr. Sungenis. Here is his website, http://www.christorchaos.com/ .

He is a big fish and a lot of good came from his conversion to a more consistent Catholicism. There is no doubt in my mind he was already a Catholic before, but it certainly gave him much more power to his truth telling.

Mr. Voris, one day he will come around. I believe it will be in less then a decade for sure.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: tdrev123 on October 19, 2014, 07:30:00 PM
Has no one told Voris that his hair makes him look like a raging fairy?
Or is he just gαy?
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: ThomisticPhilosopher on October 19, 2014, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: tdrev123
Has no one told Voris that his hair makes him look like a raging fairy?
Or is he just gαy?


To be honest, that comment is uncalled for. Nothing wrong with his hair, he just has it that way. Mr. Voris is not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ you can take that to the bank, he is quite a manly man.

Just because he is in error about what the root of the problem, we don't need to go into ad hominem's. He is not fruity, or remotely giving any gαy "signs", this would simply be ruining his good character and it is slanderous. Please, don't do this again. The same goes for any other Voris hater, critique his videos, but not the person. As this just makes you look malicious and it uncharitable at best, and can be gravely sinful sins of the tongue.
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: tdrev123 on October 19, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
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Has no one told Voris that his hair makes him look like a raging fairy?
Or is he just gαy?


To be honest, that comment is uncalled for. Nothing wrong with his hair, he just has it that way. Mr. Voris is not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ you can take that to the bank, he is quite a manly man.

Just because he is in error about what the root of the problem, we don't need to go into ad hominem's. He is not fruity, or remotely giving any gαy "signs", this would simply be ruining his good character and it is slanderous. Please, don't do this again. The same goes for any other Voris hater, critique his videos, but not the person. As this just makes you look malicious and it uncharitable at best, and can be gravely sinful sins of the tongue.


I was honestly not trying to make an ad hominem attack.  I think he is a good catholic, I wasn't trying to critique his character as a way of belittling his viewpoints.
I just don't understand why traditional Catholics (I do consider him a trad catholic) accept parts of modern culture, while at the same time attacking modernism!  I get flabbergasted when I see a person who has found the truth (or at least part of it) and they do something that is so modern and un-catholic.   When I see devout Catholics (sedevacantists) that pray the rosary everyday, travel long distances for mass, are truly people of God, but then the women in the family dress in pants and tight shirts! It makes me mad and flabbergasted, and I had a similar feeling when I saw Voris' hair, who I know is a decent enough Catholic but he has the same hair style as Justin Bieber!  
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: StCeciliasGirl on October 19, 2014, 09:23:44 PM
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Quote from: tdrev123
Has no one told Voris that his hair makes him look like a raging fairy?
Or is he just gαy?


To be honest, that comment is uncalled for. Nothing wrong with his hair, he just has it that way. Mr. Voris is not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ you can take that to the bank, he is quite a manly man.


Well, tdrev does have a point about the hair. I'm sorry, it's not politically correct I know, but the amount of hairspray or mousse a man must use on his hair to make it do that (have "lots of volume", I suppose?) does seem to warrant the "raging fairy" comment.

If I showed up at Mass in a suit and tie and man shoes, and man cologne, and other cross-dressing accoutrements, I would hope someone would correct me for the good of my soul. So I think it's a fair question.

I recall seeing a Voris video some time ago when he was in Rome, and the wind was raging, and womens' skirts were blowing about, and I believe there was even spitting rain, and yet Voris' hair did not move. I haven't watched much of him since (unless it was linked here, if I recall), because while I could have assumed "green screen" (and therefore his not actually being in the weather), he presented himself that way on purpose, and it concerned me. Even EWTN "reporters" at the Vatican either had their hair whipping around, or had it properly "glued down" in a very short cut, demonstrating no feminine characteristics of the hair that I recall.

tdrev: I do believe (though I've never been part of his paid "network" setup) that people have mentioned his hair to him, or at least indirectly to his handlers through Twitter. I highly doubt we're the only ones disturbed by the raging fairy style, but it's entirely plausible he doesn't know the "vibe" he gives off. I believe it's par for the course in secular journalism, though when an actual self-proclaimed sodomite like Anderson Cooper looks more manly than a Catholic "commentator", yes, I do get concerned enough to tune out.

(Maybe Thomistic Phil. might pass the message on? I fully understand one having personal preferences for attire and style, especially if there is a physical condition involved like chemotherapy-induced baldness, but Mr. Voris seems to put an unusual amount of attention into his hair and its volume, and the connotation just isn't overly Catholic, I'm afraid.)

As he's a public figure, in this community at least, I don't believe the discussion of his appearance is either vindictive or inappropriate. Especially since it is something he can help.

 :sign-surrender:
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 20, 2014, 01:38:12 AM
I think we need to be positive and support Catholic media.  
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Disputaciones on October 21, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: tdrev123
Has no one told Voris that his hair makes him look like a raging fairy?
Or is he just gαy?


So having a shag haircut automatically means you're a sodomite or effeminate?

I agree that most men who have that haircut generally iron it and put on things like mousse etc. But you don't need to do any of that necessarily, if you have that haircut.

His haircut just makes him look younger than he actually is. I don't think it makes him look like a "raging fairy".

I find it more problematic how he wears his shirts sometimes, that is to say, how he unbuttons the second button, and shows some chest, now THAT does look sodomitical-esque.

This is what I'm talking about:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wdl7vbHYvlQ/T7-N-1w_NfI/AAAAAAAAAOI/HazX1hNBrPA/s1600/mike+voris+ottawa+003.JPG)
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Stubborn on October 21, 2014, 12:42:25 PM
He doesn't wear a scapular, I thought all trads wore one.

Anyone here that doesn't wear one?
Title: Voriss tough questions addressed to Abp. Forte
Post by: Disputaciones on October 21, 2014, 12:46:36 PM
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He doesn't wear a scapular, I thought all trads wore one.

Anyone here that doesn't wear one?


I don't. I wear medals and crosses because I haven't found good scapulars.