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Offline soulguard

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« on: January 09, 2014, 12:56:50 PM »
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  • I have been told that if God does not will someone to become a priest, then it will not happen. Fair enough. But what about the many tens of thousands of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and the thousands of paedos who are priests? Do they have a vocation? Seems so, because they are ordained. God willed this?

    People need to see that the judgements of the church are the judgments of MAN.
    Man can err. God does not know error. Man is steeped in error.
    There are so many bad priests, in fact a good one is rare. Their vocation was a desire, that began in themselves, and which was approved by man.
    Man found worth in the desire of a potential priest, and ordained him.

    To deny someone the possibility of accomplishing their desire to be a religious is to play God. If they turned out to be a paedo or a homo, then it was God's will that they not be priests. But if they were not these things, and if they had the faith and were not a liberal, who is to say that they dont have a vocation? God then desires that they become religious if they would serve him by doing so.

    The way it is now is non-homos and non-childmolesters and conservatives are denied entry to religious life on the judgements of men. Their judgments are flawed, their church is steeped in chaos and corruption. It is not for these corrupt heretical men to decide who should and should not be priests, that should be up to the individual man who is a traditionalist.

    Personal gripe.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 01:19:12 PM »
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  • If you recognize that conciliardom is dominated by the likes if heretics and fαɢɢօts, why would you want to be a conciliarist priest?  If you're leaning toward sedevacantism, why would you want an ordination that most sedevacantists view as invalid?  Move to where you can go to a true Catholic seminary--make sacrifice--learn SPANISH--quit bitching about the heretical fαɢɢօt conciliarist gatekeepers not wanting you.  I have no sympathy for your "plight" because I have no sympathy for your objective of being a priest even if it's in conciliardom.

    Is there not a single seminary in the US that would suit you?  You wouldn't even have to learn Spanish.  There's SSPX, some sort of sede seminary in FL, resistance in KY, I'm not sure where CMRI priests are trained--that's just all I know of...


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    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2014, 01:32:34 PM »
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    If you recognize that conciliardom is dominated by the likes if heretics and fαɢɢօts, why would you want to be a conciliarist priest?  If you're leaning toward sedevacantism, why would you want an ordination that most sedevacantists view as invalid?  Move to where you can go to a true Catholic seminary--make sacrifice--learn SPANISH--quit bitching about the heretical fαɢɢօt conciliarist gatekeepers not wanting you.  I have no sympathy for your "plight" because I have no sympathy for your objective of being a priest even if it's in conciliardom.

    Is there not a single seminary in the US that would suit you?  You wouldn't even have to learn Spanish.  There's SSPX, some sort of sede seminary in FL, resistance in KY, I'm not sure where CMRI priests are trained--that's just all I know of...


    *cough* Yeah thanks for the sympathy vote. I just could not help point out the hypocrisy of the "church". This thread was not about whether the conciliar church is still the Catholic church, this was about their double standards. Admit it, they have double standards, and every group that has the same policies as the conciliar church has double standards. That includes all those groups like SSPX CMRI etc who say that one must be in good health. I mean what do they want? People who are comfertable and successful in the atheistic secular material world? In case you havent noticed, the real Christians are trampled upon by society. They are to be found in the hospitals and prisons and every place where there is suffering.
    I bet there are millions of men and women in some poverty stricken hell hole praying for a chance to serve God to give some reason for their lives, not for money, but because it is right. And will any religious group let them?

    Hypocrits.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2014, 09:09:13 PM »
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    I have been told that if God does not will someone to become a priest, then it will not happen. Fair enough. But what about the many tens of thousands of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and the thousands of paedos who are priests? Do they have a vocation? Seems so, because they are ordained. God willed this?


    God, The First Mover, wills all things either by His positive or permissive will, i.e., nothing happens that God did not either will to happen or allow to happen.  In that sense, God wills (thought at least in modern English it's probably better to understand that He ALLOWS) bad men to become priests.

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    People need to see that the judgements of the church are the judgments of MAN.
    Man can err. God does not know error. Man is steeped in error.


    Well, as a syllogism this would read that the Church can err, which is certainly false.  The "judgements" of the Church on faith and morals are infallible, though I'm not really sure what you mean by judgements.  A superior can ordain an unworthy man, but that is not a "judgement" of the Church.

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    There are so many bad priests, in fact a good one is rare. Their vocation was a desire, that began in themselves, and which was approved by man.
    Man found worth in the desire of a potential priest, and ordained him.


    A priest (period) is rare.  Most clerics in the N.O. have doubt surrounding their ordination, which practically renders them non-priests anyways.  If they weren't ordained, they didn't have a vocation.


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    To deny someone the possibility of accomplishing their desire to be a religious is to play God.


    No, it's not, because a vocation is God's plan for that person's state in life.  It is not necessarily that person's desire.  

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    If they turned out to be a paedo or a homo, then it was God's will that they not be priests.


    It is certainly still God's will.  But again, considering the doubts surrounding N.O. priests, it's questionable whether they are fulfilling a vocation for the priesthood in the first place.

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    But if they were not these things, and if they had the faith and were not a liberal, who is to say that they dont have a vocation? God then desires that they become religious if they would serve him by doing so.


    In better times, bishops and those in charge of seminaries were trained and prayed to identify vocations.  Combined with God's grace moving them and the potential priest, "failed" vocations were not common.

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    The way it is now is non-homos and non-childmolesters and conservatives are denied entry to religious life on the judgements of men. Their judgments are flawed, their church is steeped in chaos and corruption. It is not for these corrupt heretical men to decide who should and should not be priests, that should be up to the individual man who is a traditionalist.  


    Well, really, it's up to God.  If God wills a man to be a priest then you can take it to the bank.  Being "conservative and non homo" does not mean you have a vocation.  

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    Personal gripe.


    Did the Novus Ordo seminary reject you?  Good.  If you do have a vocation to the priesthood, you won't fulfill it there.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 11:20:42 PM »
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  • God chooses priests from amoung men who are flawed so that he can better show you his mercy when you go to confession.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 11:42:25 AM »
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    God chooses priests from amoung men who are flawed so that he can better show you his mercy when you go to confession.


    All are flawed, but how can an especially flawed priest cause God's mercy to be shown to me. They are hardly role models. I would learn from Padre Pio, I would not learn from the local flawed novus ordo "priests".
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    « Reply #6 on: January 10, 2014, 06:11:48 PM »
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    God chooses priests from amoung men who are flawed so that he can better show you his mercy when you go to confession.


    All are flawed, but how can an especially flawed priest cause God's mercy to be shown to me. They are hardly role models. I would learn from Padre Pio, I would not learn from the local flawed novus ordo "priests".
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    Sir you are reeking with anti-clericalism which is quite common in this forum, do not take this insultingly but rather as a personal reflection. Don't let the spirit of most forums out there affect your spiritual life. Now as to whether or not you have a vocation, I certainly pray that you might have one. The only real thing that a candidate can do to prepare for such a lofty thing is to have purity of intention. Now health it depends on what you have, if you would not mind maybe send me a PM and I can talk to you to give you some advice so that you can improve your health enough to enter the seminary. I can guarantee you if you follow the advice I give you, your health will greatly improve. It really depends what is your sickness, if its physical or genetic disease that is crippling then not much can be done. However, if it is anything like Diabetes, Cancer, low blood pressure, arthritis, inflammation, heart problems etc... Those things are fixable through lifestyle (whole foods, rest, sun, water, exercise and if necessary medicine) the damage can be reversed depending on how far gone you are. So I would not so easily give up the fight if the problem is just poor health, because given our modern era of transportation good foods are available to all of us all over the world despite where you might live.

    99% (most statistics are made up on the spot) of marriages out there fail because both couples never had any purity of intention. It was all for dumb superficial reasons and nothing that stems from the will of God. This is why most men/women do not seek virtue as the number one quality in their future to be spouses. I understand that there are some very rare exceptions to this rule, such as St. Rita of Brescia married unbeknownst to her a murderer/thief of a husband. However, so great was her love for him that she changed the entire family around, including the soul of her husband. What was the trick? Purity of intention goes a long way in pleasing the Good Lord. Even if you make mistake in judgement which we all do repeatedly throughout our short existence, it will not damn you so long as your intention is pure with a firm will to never violate your Catholicly formed conscience you shall certainly be saved. It was purity of intention that led a few of the Desert Father's to go into brothels to save those poor women from the snares of the enemy. Only the Lord God knows whether we truly do it for His sake, or for our own glory.
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