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Author Topic: Visual map of all branches of Sedevacantism - by Fr Chazal  (Read 5577 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Visual map of all branches of Sedevacantism - by Fr Chazal
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2018, 01:22:54 PM »
So, at first glance, is this meant to depict SEDEVACANTISM (drawing out the permutations of sedevacantist theological positions) or to depict SEDEVACANTISTS?

So it labors under an identity crisis.

So, for instance, different SEDEVACANTISTS are show who happen to have the same theological groups, but only different in terms of being part of different organizations.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Visual map of all branches of Sedevacantism - by Fr Chazal
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2018, 01:26:37 PM »
I don't see Father Chazal on here.  He should be on the breakdown with his sedeimpoundism ... since the position is most akin to sedeprivationism, and he lists a number of sedeprivationists on here.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Visual map of all branches of Sedevacantism - by Fr Chazal
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2018, 01:31:03 PM »
As I pointed out on another thread, sedeprivationism is NOT strictly sedevacantism.  In fact, Father Ringrose emphasizes that point.

SEDEPLENISM -- See is occupied simpliciter.
SEDEVACANTISM -- See is vacant simpliciter.
SEDEPRIVATIONISM -- See is occupied secundum quid and See is vacant secundum quid.
SEDEIMPOUNDISM -- See is occupied secundum quid and See is vacant secundum quid.

What's interesting is that certain SEDEPRIVATIONISTS, like +Sanborn, will EMPHASIZE the vacancy part, while others, like Father Ringrose, will emphasize the occupancy part.  So the difference is merely a matter of emphasis.

Father Chazal opts to put SEDEPRIVATIONISM under SEDEVACANTISM, but that's not strictly true.  It's actually in between the two somewhere ... just as his own SEDEIMPOUNDISM is.
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Offline Marcellinus

Re: Visual map of all branches of Sedevacantism - by Fr Chazal
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2018, 04:35:55 PM »
The chart is slightly wrong.. Bps. Taylor and Montelongo do have Thuc lines, through Bishop Adamson.
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Offline tdrev123

Re: Visual map of all branches of Sedevacantism - by Fr Chazal
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2018, 05:00:39 PM »
This chart is quite bad, not sure where he got his information from but they're so many errors. 
Fullham is dead (RIP)
St Benedict Center (all 3) have been approved by their diocese to one degree or more.
He made conclavism 50% of the "chart".  Less than 1% of sedecavantists are "conclavists".  
He didn't differentiate (as ladisalus pointed out) between sede vacantist and sede privationist.  
Left out IMBC which has like over 20 mass centers in Europe (I think around 10 just in Italy)

Those are just off the top of my head.  
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