Author Topic: VII's religious liberty -- heresy, error, changing discipline -- (Read 6975 times)

Alexandria · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:19:51 PM »

This is my understanding of the docuмent which I recently read along with the copious footnotes. Without asking, I know that I will be corrected if I am wrong.

Dignitatis Humanae doesn't really say that errors has rights. What it says is that if you firmly believe you are right, you have the right not be coerced to go against your conscience. It's not so much that you have the right to be wrong as it is that you have the right not be brow-beaten into changing your mind.

The problem I have with the docuмent is that it is the brainchild of John Courtney Murray, S.J. who was teaching this to various religious orders of nuns already in the 1940s. What it did was extend the United States' version of religious freedom throughout the Church.

:rahrah:

Belloc · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:22:47 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I get the feeling you didn't actually read my post and you are just talking about DH in general. But I bring up some questions I think are pertinent, and I want answers, dang it. I will wait and be patient.

yikes, stay calm friend, will try to read more in depth in a bit-did read it, more skimmed, as business is picking up here...you are out 3 days and work piles up!!! let us be more :cheers: then :cussing: in the meantime...

Alexandria · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:23:21 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I get the feeling you didn't actually read my post and you are just talking about DH in general. But I bring up some questions I think are pertinent, and I want answers, dang it. I will wait and be patient.

You will get as varied answers as there are people here. I know. When I speak to one side, I get their version of things; and when I speak to the other, I get the other side. The question really is: who is giving you the truth and who is giving you a slanted version of the truth? I've never been able to happen upon anyone that is objective. It's either that the docuмent is heretical or that the docuмent isn't.

I want answers too.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:27:51 PM »

I want the various insights so that I can sift and determine on the one that has the most proof in its corner. But again, there is more against VII and post-VII Rome than just religious liberty, as I wrote you at length last night.

Alexandria · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:33:54 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I want the various insights so that I can sift and determine on the one that has the most proof in its corner. But again, there is more against VII and post-VII Rome than just religious liberty, as I wrote you at length last night.

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Did you get my response, as I am having major computer troubles today on account of the fact that my husband "fixed" it this morning?