Sadly, it makes it clear they worship "together with us".

So not just "a god" but the same God as us.

Do you think they worship the same God as Catholics

and worship "together with us"?

I don't.  I think that is blasphemous and a complete repudiation of the First Commandment

and a denial of Our Lord Jesus Christ

qualifying them as "antichrists"

as St John defined.

No, Muslims don't worship the true God and will go to hell if they don't convert.

How many times do I have to say I'm not defending the statement? I don't agree with the statement, and never said I did.

+Lefebvre signed the docuмents.  Was he too an "apostate"?

I've thought about this before.  All those bishops signed the docuмents right?  They contain many heresies, and alot of them knew about it because they voted against them right?  So when they signed did they all exit the Church?  I guess the first place to start would be how did the Church deal with bishops and priests who participated in false councils in the past.

“Now when the Pope is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church . . . ”

“A Pope who is a manifest heretic automatically ceases to be a Pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.”

“If ever a Pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he should at once fall from the Pontificate. If, however, God were to permit a pope to become a notorious and contumacious heretic, he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant.”

“In the case in which the Pope would become a heretic, he would find himself, by that very fact alone and without any other sentence, separated from the Church. A head separated from a body cannot, as long as it remains separated, be head of the same body from which it was cut off.”

“Through notorious and openly divulged heresy, the Roman Pontiff, should he fall into heresy, by that very fact(ipso facto) is deemed to be deprived of the power of jurisdiction even before any declaratory judgment by the Church… A Pope who falls into public heresy would cease ipso facto to be a member of the Church; therefore, he would also cease to be head of the Church.” And also: “A doubtful pope is no pope.”

“The Pope himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be Pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church.”

“The Pope should not flatter himself about his power nor should he rashly glory in his honor and high estate, because the less he is judged by man, the more he is judged by God. Still the less can the Roman Pontiff glory because he can be judged by men, or rather, can be shown to be already judged, if for example he should wither away into heresy; because he who does not believe is already judged, In such a case it should be said of him: ‘If salt should lose its savor, it is good for nothing but to be cast out and trampled under foot by men.’”

“If indeed such a situation would happen, he (the Roman Pontiff) would, by divine law, fall from office without any sentence, indeed, without even a declaratory one. He who openly professes heresy places himself outside the Church, and it is not likely that Christ would preserve the Primacy of His Church in one so unworthy. Wherefore, if the Roman Pontiff were to profess heresy, before any condemnatory sentence (which would be impossible anyway) he would lose his authority.”

“At least according to the more common teaching; the Roman Pontiff as a private teacher can fall into manifest heresy. Then, without any declaratory sentence (for the Supreme See is judged by no one), he would automatically (ipso facto) fall from power which he who is no longer a member of the Church is unable to possess.”

“‘The pope loses office ipso facto because of public heresy.’ This is the more common teaching, because a pope would not be a member of the Church, and hence far less could he be its head.”

Oh, you have opened another thread, okay, coypaste from the other thread:

Well, there are countries that were never Christian: Japan, China, Arabia, etc. If the Great Apostasy is global, it cannot happen yet.

I think they believe it because of this.