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Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2023, 10:09:42 AM »
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  • There’s political speech and there’s religious speech.  Many of you cannot see the difference and expect clerics to only speak religiously and not politically.  This is an error. 

    Vigano is very clear that he’s talking politically, because he names the enemies as WEF, Gates, etc.  In the political context, anyone who is pro-natural law is anti-WEF, so they are on God's side (since the WEF is openly satanist).  Vigano is speaking generally and not specifically.  And he’s right.  And many of these people may well convert when the Good Lord gives the Church a holy pope. 

    Those of you who keep trying to frame Vigano’s comments as some type of religious movement are morons and you can’t see the bigger picture. 

    THIS^^^

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #46 on: October 29, 2023, 10:45:55 AM »
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  • Vigano is very clear that he’s talking politically, because he names the enemies as WEF, Gates, etc. 

    In the political context, anyone who is pro-natural law is anti-WEF, so they are on God's side (since the WEF is openly satanist). 

    First, the Jericho march was a self described prayer meeting by the ʝʊdɛօ-Christian "Roaring Church".  It's a gave sin for any Catholic to take part in that.

    As for the idea that supporting Trump is being pro God and pro-natural law and anti-WEF,

    it's wakey, wakey time folks!

    Trump and his supporters are not "pro natural law".


    He is known to be the most "pro gαy president in history".

    Trump is the most pro Israel president in history so he and his

     supporters are most definitely NOT on God's side.


    Trump is not an enemy of the WEF.

    Their goals are the same.

    Klaus and the WEF wanted to inject the whole world with gene editing nanotech.

    Trump created Operation Warpspeed to inject the whole world with gene editing nanotech. 

    He is proud of it and wants to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine".

    The WEF wants a worldwide surveillance state

    Trump created the REAL ID biometric digital ID track and trace system and the 24/7 surveillance center in Saudi Arabia

    to track and trace all social media and all humans on land, at sea and in the air!

    Here is Trump at DAVOS praising Klaus for doing a fantastic job

    and when he is asked about climate change he says he is a big believer in the environment:

    1min 7sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/PSavrttYEiBB/


    He clearly is NO enemy of the WEF!


    And Ivanka was a WEF Young Global Leaders member.


    So no matter how you try to spin it, religiously or politically,

    there is no excuse for Vigano continuing to support Trump

    and there is never any excuse for a Catholic prelate to

    LIE

    to cover for a political figure:


    "in order to advance the agenda of the Great Reset, it was necessary to get rid of Trump, who would never have allowed..the pandemic farce"
    AB Vigano to the Reawaken America Rally 2 April, 2022


    That is a blatant lie!








    Nobody did more for the WEF and the Great Reset than Donald Trump and he is very, very proud of it.


    Why anyone would trust Vigano after lying straight to your face I have no idea.  smh



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #47 on: October 29, 2023, 11:56:22 AM »
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  • Miser, a prayer meeting/rally/parade…whatever you want to call it was political in PURPOSE.  IT WAS NOT RELIGIOUS IN ITS GOAL.  You obviously don’t understand the difference, either because you’re a simpleton or due to your pride.  You are a prime example of why women shouldn’t be “leaders” because you are blinded by emotion. 

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #48 on: October 29, 2023, 01:18:29 PM »
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  • Separation of church (religion) and state (politics) is condemned by the church.  Our Lord is king over both.  To say a Catholic prelate can promote a pro-sodomite, public adulterer as someone aligned with God is completely against Church teaching.  If it is acceptable because Trump is political, then someone should have told Saint John the baptist.  He would have not lost his head.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #49 on: October 29, 2023, 01:42:30 PM »
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  • Miser, a prayer meeting/rally/parade…whatever you want to call it was political in PURPOSE.  IT WAS NOT RELIGIOUS IN ITS GOAL.  You obviously don’t understand the difference, either because you’re a simpleton or due to your pride.  You are a prime example of why women shouldn’t be “leaders” because you are blinded by emotion.
    I still think it was more than political.  But, ok....let's go with the goal was "political".  Do the ends justify the means?  Does the Church allow Catholics to attend such a "political" rally where Catholics and non-Catholics pray together?  How is this any different than Assisi? Isn't "praying for world peace" .... political? And if it isn't different, then why do Trads concern themselves with Assisi?  Why is participation in Assisi condemned as a sacrilege (at best) and the participation in the Jericho March not condemned (and defended)?


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #50 on: October 29, 2023, 02:08:53 PM »
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    How is this any different than Assisi? 
    :facepalm:

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #51 on: October 29, 2023, 02:25:13 PM »
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  • Miser, a prayer meeting/rally/parade…whatever you want to call it was political in PURPOSE.  IT WAS NOT RELIGIOUS IN ITS GOAL.  You obviously don’t understand the difference, either because you’re a simpleton or due to your pride.  You are a prime example of why women shouldn’t be “leaders” because you are blinded by emotion.






    Pax, you missed the point entirely and then resorted to ad hominems rather than logic or evidence.   You're smarter than that.

    I demonstrated that it doesn't matter whether it was political or religious

    there is absolutely NO reason for Vigano to support Trump in any way.


    To say that Trump is the enemy of sodomy, the WEF or Bill Gates

    is just some kind of joke right?  :laugh1:

    The most pro gαy president and "Father of the Vaccine"

    is the enemy of sodomy, the WEF and Bill Gates?

    On what planet does that logic work?  :clown:

    But Vigano didn't just support Trump

    he LIED 

    to cover for him.


    Why would you trust somebody who lies to you?

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #52 on: October 29, 2023, 02:31:03 PM »
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  • Pax, you missed the point entirely and then resorted to ad hominems rather than logic or evidence.  You're smarter than that.

    I demonstrated that it doesn't matter whether it was political or religious

    there is absolutely NO reason for Vigano to support Trump in any way.


    To say that Trump is the enemy of sodomy, the WEF or Bill Gates

    is just some kind of joke right?  :laugh1:

    The most pro gαy president and "Father of the Vaccine"

    is the enemy of sodomy, the WEF and Bill Gates?

    On what planet does that logic work?  :clown:

    But Vigano didn't just support Trump

    he LIED

    to cover for him.


    Why would you trust somebody who lies to you?


    And don't overlook Trump's 

    BIOMETRIC DIGITAL ID TRACKING SYSTEM:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@yahshuas_chosen1/video/7244388850468965674?lang=en


    Notice it's for ENTRY (yeah, like those pesky immigrants!)

    and for EXIT  (uhh...you mean like all Americans??  Can't EXIT without it??)


    Yeah, clearly Trump is the enemy of the WEF and the NWO.  smh

    "You knew I was a snake when you let me in."
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #53 on: October 29, 2023, 02:32:20 PM »
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #54 on: October 29, 2023, 02:33:38 PM »
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    I demonstrated that it doesn't matter whether it was political or religious
    It was a political rally with prayers.  Primary purpose.  The secondary issue is “what candidates were endorsed?” Of which, many were, besides Trump.  


    The last few months, you’ve been arguing that the rally was some sort of ecuмenical gathering (which it wasn’t).  Now you’re arguing it’s wrong because Trump was endorsed (but many other candidates were endorsed, not only Trump).  You’re just foaming at the mouth to condemn people and your principles are constantly changing.  

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #55 on: October 29, 2023, 02:44:17 PM »
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  • To refresh our memories.....

    The Mission of the Jericho March in their own words:

    Mission

    Jericho March™ Calls Upon People Of Faith To Prayer, Fasting, And Peaceful Protest In The Service Of God, And In Defense Of Life, Liberty, And Justice.  
      
    Jericho March™ is comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians collectively praying to God to intercede, expose a particular darkness, and bring about justice. As a community of believers, we take our petitions to heaven, and we know that our mighty and powerful God answers and can move mountains.

    Jericho was a city of false gods and corruption. Just as Joshua was instructed to march around the walls of Jericho, Jericho Marchers march around at a specific place and time until that darkness is exposed and the walls of corruption fall down.

    The Jericho Marches are also a unified celebration of authentic and diverse ʝʊdɛօ-Christian forms worship including praying, chanting, preaching, singing, rosary recitations, Eucharistic processions, and blowing shofars. Individuals and groups on Jericho Marches are self-led.


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #56 on: October 29, 2023, 03:06:52 PM »
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  • https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/michael-flynn-reawaken-
    america-tour/

    This is also described as reawaken the "Army of God".  Certainly religious in nature.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #57 on: October 29, 2023, 03:41:42 PM »
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  • To refresh our memories.....

    The Mission of the Jericho March in their own words:

    Mission

    Jericho March™ Calls Upon People Of Faith To Prayer, Fasting, And Peaceful Protest In The Service Of God, And In Defense Of Life, Liberty, And Justice. 
      Jericho March™ is comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians collectively praying to God to intercede, expose a particular darkness, and bring about justice. As a community of believers, we take our petitions to heaven, and we know that our mighty and powerful God answers and can move mountains.

    Jericho was a city of false gods and corruption. Just as Joshua was instructed to march around the walls of Jericho, Jericho Marchers march around at a specific place and time until that darkness is exposed and the walls of corruption fall down.

    The Jericho Marches are also a unified celebration of authentic and diverse ʝʊdɛօ-Christian forms worship including praying, chanting, preaching, singing, rosary recitations, Eucharistic processions, and blowing shofars. Individuals and groups on Jericho Marches are self-led.







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    The Council of Laodicea in 365 AD stated, “No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.”



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    St. Cyril of Alexandria echoed these same sentiments when he said, “It is therefore unlawful, and a profanation, and an act the punishment of which is death, to love to associate with unholy heretics, and to unite yourself to their communion.”

    Council of Carthage in the fifth century decreed, “One must neither pray nor sing psalms with heretics, and whoever shall communicate with those who are cut off from the communion of the Church, whether clergy or layman: let him be excommunicated.”


    St. Thomas Aquinas, said, “To know whom to avoid is a great means of saving our souls…Thus, the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith by corrupting it, such as heretics, or by renouncing it, such as apostates.”


    They presuppose the erroneous view that all religions are more or less good and praiseworthy, inasmuch as all give expression, under various forms, to that innate sense which leads men to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule… to favor this opinion, therefore, 


    and to encourage such undertakings, 


    is tantamount to abandoning the religion revealed by God.”

    Let us focus attention on the phrase “tantamount to abandoning the religion revealed by God.” This phrase is another definition of the word “apostasy.” According to Pope Pius XI, to hold to false ecuмenism and to encourage it, is equivalent to apostasy.



    Vigano's attendance encouraged others to attend as well.




    But it shouldn't surprise anyone because:



    See this video at the 7:31 mark 

    https://youtu.be/nES89qnv9x8?t=450




    Plus, Shofar blowing calls forth the Antichrist:

    • When Moshiach (Messiah  ANTICHRIST) comes, the prophet Elijah tells us, the great shofar will be blown. Blowing the shofar speaks to us of the coming of the Moshiach (ANTICHRIST)  and the great good toward which the world is moving.




    So yeah, count me out of any communal prayer gathering which calls forth the Antichrist!



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #58 on: October 29, 2023, 03:52:44 PM »
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  • https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/michael-flynn-reawaken-
    america-tour/

    This is also described as reawaken the "Army of God".  Certainly religious in nature.

    And by "God", Flynn means Lucifer:

    Here he leads the unsuspecting crowd in a prayer to Lucifer!!!


    2min 20sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/v1m94hzC06L2/


    Also, the antivaxx doctors who attend these rallies who pretend to be Christian have been exposed as Luciferian New Agers with ties to the UN.


    Here is a quote from Trump's hero, Albert Pike about what they really mean when they say "god":



    Of all the statues that were toppled during Trump's term he only requested Congress replace one:

    Albert Pike



    So yes, in consideration of all of this, I have to question why Vigano on two occasions referred to

    Our Lord Jesus Christ

    as the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun)

    which is the term used by Freemasons, Wiccans, and other Luciferians for Lucifer!



    Luciferians celebrate the Sol Invictus Day:



    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.

    Wishing Lucifer/Sol Invictus a happy Birthday on this ... - Reddit
    Dec 21, 2021 — The world has been covered in darkness but starting today, we will see the return of Sol Invictus, Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, ...
    How to celebrate Sol Invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
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    Here is a photo of a lodge named Sol Invictus:





    Grand Lodge of Royal Art Study

    @mlsarGrandLodge

    Grand Lodge: the bilingual lodge Sol Invictus, No 13 has two new members.
    #Freemasons #FɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყToday #FreemasonFriday #Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ #freemasons #freemason #masoniclodges #masonic #masons #scottishrite #francmasoneria #masoneria







    https://twitter.com/mlsargrandlodge/status/1057191457868693506



    So why on earth would Vigano want to use a phrase with such associations???


    And no it is not slander to ask these questions.  It is our duty:





    Pope Pius VI, Bull “Auctorem fidei," August 28, 1794: “[The Ancient Doctors] knew the capacity of innovators in the art of deception.  In order not to shock the ears of Catholics, they sought to hide the subtleties… by the use of seemingly innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the most gentle manner. Once the truth had been compromised, they could, by means of slight changes or additions in phraseology, distort the confession of the faith which is necessary for our salvation, and lead the faithful by subtle errors to their eternal damnation.”

    Pope Pius VI points out that camouflaging the heresies in statements that are ambiguous or seemingly conservative or contradictory was the tactic of the heretic Nestorius, and that Catholics cannot allow heretics to get away with this or deceive them by it.  They must hold such heretics to their heresies regardless:

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    Pope Pius VI, “Auctorem fidei": “… it cannot be excused in the way that one sees it being done, under the erroneous pretext that the seemingly shocking affirmations in one place are further developed along orthodox lines in other places, and even in yet other places corrected; as if allowing for the possibility of either affirming or denying the statement… such has always been the fraudulent and daring method used by innovators to establish error.  It allows for both the possibility of promoting error and of excusing it.
    "…It is a most reprehensible technique for the insinuation of doctrinal errors and one condemned long ago by our predecessor Saint Celestine who found it used in the writings of Nestorius, Bishop of Constantinople, and which he exposed in order to condemn it with the greatest possible severity.  Once these texts were examined carefully, the impostor was exposed and confounded, for he expressed himself in a plethora of words, mixing true things with others that were obscure; mixing at times one with the other in such a way that he was also able to confess those things which were denied while at the same time possessing a basis for denying those very sentences which he confessed.”



    Heretics have always used ambiguity and deception to insinuate their heresies and make them seem not quite as bad.  In fact, the more deceptive the heretic is usually equates to how successful he is for the Devil.  The heretic Arius effectively spread his denial of the Divinity of Christ because he impressed people with his appearance of ascetism and devotion.

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    Pope Pius XI, Rite expiatis (# 6), April 30, 1926: “…heresies gradually arose and grew in the vineyard of the Lord, propagated either by open heretics or by sly deceivers who, because they professed a certain austerity of life and gave a false appearance of virtue and piety, easily led weak and simple souls astray.”[143]



    Pope Pius VI concludes his point by giving Catholics instructions on how to deal with such deception or ambiguity among the writings of heretics:

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    "In order to expose such snares, something which becomes necessary with a certain frequency in every century, no other method is required than the following: WHENEVER IT BECOMES NECESSARY TO EXPOSE STATEMENTS WHICH DISGUISE SOME SUSPECTED ERROR OR DANGER UNDER THE VEIL OF AMBIGUITY, ONE MUST DENOUNCE THE PERVERSE MEANING UNDER WHICH THE ERROR OPPOSED TO CATHOLIC TRUTH IS CAMOUFLAGED.”


    Pope Pius VI teaches us that if someone veils a heresy in ambiguity, a Catholic must hold him to the heretical meaning and denounce the heretical meaning which is camouflaged in ambiguity.  But this is only common sense: if a man says that he is against abortion, but repeatedly votes in favor of it, he is a supporter of abortion and a heretic.  The fact that he sometimes claims to hold Church teaching against abortion means nothing.

    https:// vatican  catholic.com  /anti-pope-benedict-xvi/



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #59 on: October 29, 2023, 03:55:29 PM »
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  • The anathemas relate to religious services.  Many, many have argued on this site that one can “passively” attend a novus ordo funeral or a Protestant marriage.  (I disagree, because this is a formal religious ceremony), but the argument remains.  

    Why can’t one “passively” attend a political rally with prayers?  This is NOT praying “in common” or “communicating” per the councils you quote.  Anyone who shows up at a political rally is free to walk away when prayers are said, or say their own prayers out loud, or not pay attention at all.  Nothing is required or implied by attendance.  It’s not a religious ceremony.