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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2023, 08:57:39 AM »
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  • Litany of the Most Holy Name of Jesus, towards the beginning of the miserere nobis set: Jesu, sol justitiae. Even I know this. OK, not "sol invictus" but "sol" no less. (Not getting into discussions about Vigano, Flynn, Bennyvacantism, etc.)

    And about that now-familiar sun imagery going back to the early 15th century and St. Bernardino, no slouch there, canonized six years after his death, notwithstanding the anti-innovation opponents noted below:
    If we read further, it appears that he was brought to Rome on suspect of heresy:

    Especially known for his devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus, which was previously associated with John of Vercelli and the Dominican order, Bernardino devised a symbol—IHS—the first three letters of the name of Jesus in Greek, in Gothic letters on a blazing sun. This was to displace the insignia of factions (for example, Guelphs and Ghibellines). The devotion spread, and the symbol began to appear in churches, homes and public buildings. Opponents thought it a dangerous innovation.  In 1426, Bernardino was summoned to Rome to stand trial on charges of heresy himself for his promotion of this devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus.

    He was acquitted, but it certainly should be noted that this was not something the Church poo-pooed.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #76 on: October 30, 2023, 09:33:33 AM »
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  • I've cited the passage several times as this stupidity keeps coming up.

    Well, then, what are you claiming about +Vigano with his "Sol Invictus" imagery?  What are the implications?  That he's some kind of Masonic Rosicrucian sun-worshipper?
    I actually think he's a perfect modernist who believes he can reach the luciferians by using their language and imagery.  


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #77 on: October 30, 2023, 09:43:04 AM »
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  • What I am sure of is I am not convinced Vigano is all what he's cracked up to be....unlike you.
    This ^^ is wise. Even if he is sincere, and fwiw, I think he is, we gotta remember that he's been NO since the NO began, which means he still has much to learn about the Catholic faith and about tradition, he just does. Some trads  are apparently looking to the good Archbishop in much the same way voters looked to Trump, we all know how that worked out, hopefully this will not be a repeat of that.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #78 on: October 30, 2023, 09:48:16 AM »
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    Disagree with his use of the imagery if you want (though the association between Our Lord and the sun is nearly as old as Christianity itself ... one of the reasons Christians faced East and awaited the rising sun for Mass), but what exactly are the implications you're making by constantly bringing this up?
    Christ is the "light of the world".  What is the natural light of the world?  The sun.  Put 2 and 2 together and the association of Christ with the sun totally makes sense.  Plus, since paganism worshiped the sun in the past, the Church wants to rehabilitate this custom (similar to how the Church rehabilitated the pagan festivals in Dec with Christmas, and the spring with Easter), to turn sun-worship into Christ-worship.  

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #79 on: October 30, 2023, 09:53:03 AM »
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    This ^^ is wise. Even if he is sincere, and fwiw, I think he is, we gotta remember that he's been NO since the NO began, which means he still has much to learn about the Catholic faith and about tradition, he just does. Some trads  are apparently looking to the good Archbishop in much the same way voters looked to Trump, we all know how that worked out, hopefully this will not be a repeat of that.
    No one is blindly supporting Vigano, we're just objecting to stupid, short-sighted, half-truth-filled "evidence" against him.  You have to clean out all the garbage accusations, so that if/when something real and problematic arises, then this red-flag will be noticed right away.  On the other hand, if no big red flags come to light, then maybe he's just a guy struggling to throw away his novus ordo programming and be a Trad?  We still don't know.  But all these circuмstantial accusations are sins against charity and hurt the search for true answers on him.


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #80 on: October 30, 2023, 10:37:44 AM »
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  • If we read further, it appears that he was brought to Rome on suspect of heresy:
    [...]
    He was acquitted, but it certainly should be noted that this was not something the Church poo-pooed.

    And if we read further, Bernardino of Siena was a popular itinerant preacher who did not shirk from calling out the corruption of his time. Decades before Savanarola's bonfires of the vanities, St. Bernardino was already attracting crowds by torching piles of what he preached to be objects of sin. In his preaching, he irked the wrong people: usurers, sodomites, those profiting from gambling, vendors of luxury goods, etc., i.e., the worldly constituents of those who agitated in Rome against him.

    Point being, there are charges of heresy on solid theological grounds, and then there are charges of heresy that serve ulterior motives. The enemies of the Faith gleefully know that big-boy infighting at the macro level has the convenient side-effect of sowing insidious latent doubt at the little-guy micro level too, even in the minutiae of sol justitiae vs. sol invictus, whether in the 15th century or the 21st century.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #81 on: October 30, 2023, 11:08:43 AM »
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  • And if we read further, Bernardino of Siena was a popular itinerant preacher who did not shirk from calling out the corruption of his time. Decades before Savanarola's bonfires of the vanities, St. Bernardino was already attracting crowds by torching piles of what he preached to be objects of sin. In his preaching, he irked the wrong people: usurers, sodomites, those profiting from gambling, vendors of luxury goods, etc., i.e., the worldly constituents of those who agitated in Rome against him.

    Point being, there are charges of heresy on solid theological grounds, and then there are charges of heresy that serve ulterior motives. The enemies of the Faith gleefully know that big-boy infighting at the macro level has the convenient side-effect of sowing insidious latent doubt at the little-guy micro level too, even in the minutiae of sol justitiae vs. sol invictus, whether in the 15th century or the 21st century.

    Hermeticism and  heliocentrism has been a thorn in the side of the Church for centuries.


    So despite his acts of holiness, the minutiae of words matter.

    Quoting again:

    Pope Pius XI, Rite expiatis (# 6), April 30, 1926: “…heresies gradually arose and grew in the vineyard of the Lord, propagated either by open heretics or by sly deceivers who, because they professed a certain austerity of life and gave a false appearance of virtue and piety, easily led weak and simple souls astray.”[143]


    To be clear:  I have never declared that V is a Mason.



    I have pointed out that he is using phrases that most Catholics don't recognize



    but are very well known calling cards to Masons, Wiccans, Rosicrucians, Satanists, New Age Luciferians...etc.



    He is using the term they use for their god Lucifer and



    the term they use to close their communications and spells.



    And then I asked the question, WHY?


    This is in accordance with the directives of Popes Pius VI and XI which I docuмented earlier in this thread.

    Again:

    Pope Pius VI, Bull “Auctorem fidei," August 28, 1794:
    “[The Ancient Doctors] knew the capacity of innovators in the art of deception.  In order not to shock the ears of Catholics, they sought to hide the subtleties… by the use of seemingly innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the most gentle manner. Once the truth had been compromised, they could, by means of slight changes or additions in phraseology, distort the confession of the faith which is necessary for our salvation, and lead the faithful by subtle errors to their eternal damnation.”

    "In order to expose such snares, something which becomes necessary with a certain frequency in every century, no other method is required than the following:


    WHENEVER IT BECOMES NECESSARY TO EXPOSE STATEMENTS WHICH DISGUISE SOME SUSPECTED ERROR OR DANGER UNDER THE VEIL OF AMBIGUITY, ONE MUST DENOUNCE THE PERVERSE MEANING UNDER WHICH THE ERROR OPPOSED TO CATHOLIC TRUTH IS CAMOUFLAGED.”



    So red flags are to be called out even if they aren't proof.


    There is no reason for Vigano to use such phrases.



    What we do have 100% undeniable proof of, however

    is that Vigano LIED

    to cover for Trump's responsibility as the overseer of the pandemic farce and the

    Father of the Vaccine.


    Plus he continues to tell people Trump is the enemy of the WEF and Gates

    when it is obvious to anyone who will take off their "hero goggles"

    for just a moment and notice that

    they are in fact implementing the same objectives.

    Plus his promotion of ecuмenical Zionist prayer rallies.

    That is undeniable.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #82 on: October 30, 2023, 11:28:06 AM »
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  • Vigano has also named three "Katechons":

    1.  Benedict the heretic:




    Here is Benedict, the Katechon, holding back the antichrist.  :laugh1:


    2.  Trump





    Yes, Trump is clearly holding back the Moshiach.  :clown:




    3.  Moscow, which he calls the "Third Rome".

    This is the doctrine of his Russian symposium partner, Dugin, who also happens to be a Freemason, Crowleyan Satanist who declared we have to:


    "dismantle Catholicism from the inside, strengthen Polish Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, support destructive secular movements, and promote heterodox and anti-papal Christianity. Catholicism cannot be absorbed into our tradition unless it is deeply reoriented in a nationalistic and anti-papal direction."

    :trollface::trollface::trollface::trollface::trollface:



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #83 on: October 30, 2023, 11:55:44 AM »
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  • And if we read further, Bernardino of Siena was a popular itinerant preacher who did not shirk from calling out the corruption of his time. Decades before Savanarola's bonfires of the vanities, St. Bernardino was already attracting crowds by torching piles of what he preached to be objects of sin. In his preaching, he irked the wrong people: usurers, sodomites, those profiting from gambling, vendors of luxury goods, etc., i.e., the worldly constituents of those who agitated in Rome against him.

    Point being, there are charges of heresy on solid theological grounds, and then there are charges of heresy that serve ulterior motives. The enemies of the Faith gleefully know that big-boy infighting at the macro level has the convenient side-effect of sowing insidious latent doubt at the little-guy micro level too, even in the minutiae of sol justitiae vs. sol invictus, whether in the 15th century or the 21st century.
    Soubirous, I'm not looking to get into an argument with you.  The fact of the matter is, despite the above, the Church still summoned him to Rome and was tried for heresy.  It was enough for the Church to take the accusation of heresy seriously.

    I'm not saying we should assume and charge Vigano with heresy, but there are too many who aren't even willing to question/doubt some of the things he says or does.  All the while hurling insults and names at those who do.  

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #84 on: October 30, 2023, 12:03:13 PM »
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    Soubirous, I'm not looking to get into an argument with you.  The fact of the matter is, despite the above, the Church still summoned him to Rome and was tried for heresy.  It was enough for the Church to take the accusation of heresy seriously.
    :facepalm:  And the accusation was proven false, no?  Yet you still act as if the accusation has some merit?  :confused:

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #85 on: October 30, 2023, 12:10:46 PM »
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  • :facepalm:  And the accusation was proven false, no?  Yet you still act as if the accusation has some merit?  :confused:
    There you go with your facepalm again!  :laugh1: 

    Show me where I think the accusation had merit.   



     
      


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #86 on: October 30, 2023, 12:11:02 PM »
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    Oh no! It's not going to be put on YouTube? I certainly won't be able to show up and watch at a certain time. My schedule doesn't allow something like that.
    Hopefully, it will be on YouTube or rumble later.

    It can be hard to trust any one.   For me, I trust God and my Husband. 


    I pray for Archbishop Vigano.  





    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #87 on: October 30, 2023, 12:17:01 PM »
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  • This ^^ is wise. Even if he is sincere, and fwiw, I think he is, we gotta remember that he's been NO since the NO began, which means he still has much to learn about the Catholic faith and about tradition, he just does. Some trads  are apparently looking to the good Archbishop in much the same way voters looked to Trump, we all know how that worked out, hopefully this will not be a repeat of that.
    Yep.  And those same Trads get really worked up when other Trads don't get in line.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #88 on: October 30, 2023, 12:44:04 PM »
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  • Yep.  And those same Trads get really worked up when other Trads don't get in line.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #89 on: October 30, 2023, 12:58:08 PM »
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    Show me where I think the accusation had merit.
    You said the below:

    The fact of the matter is, despite the above, the Church still summoned him to Rome and was tried for heresy.

    You/we all know that person A is innocent, and such charges were false.  If you or anyone else brings up the charges, then you are giving them weight, as if they mean something.  You're implying that person A was wrong, to some degree.  This is disparaging to the person's innocence and reputation.  And it only clouds the discussion because false charges mean nothing.