Author Topic: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference (Read 49411 times)

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #30 on:** October 28, 2023, 11:29:47 AM »

Douay-Rheims Bible

For all you are the children of light, and children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #31 on:** October 28, 2023, 02:40:37 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on October 28, 2023, 11:06:53 AM

“Last Sunday, the Church celebrated the Most Holy Trinity, and in the Breviary it offers us the recitation of the Symbolum Athanasianum, now outlawed by the conciliar liturgy and already reduced to only two occasions in the liturgical reform of 1962. The first words of that now-disappeared Symbolum remain inscribed in letters of gold: “Quicuмque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est ut teneat Catholicam fidem; quam nisi quisque integram inviolatamque servaverit, absque dubio in aeternum peribit – Whosoever wishes to be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith; For unless a person shall have kept this faith whole and inviolate, without doubt he shall eternally perish.”

+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop”

This is very good!

He speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

That was in June but just recently he told a crowd of

Jєωs, Luciferian New Agers, Protestants, Atheists, and Catholics

at the Zionist MAGA rally:

By the Redemption we have been ransomed from the yoke of the devil, and through Grace we have supernatural assistance in fighting the holy battle against the Adversary of mankind.

Really???

See this thread:
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/archbishop-vigano's-message-for-the-reawaken-american-tour/

Some say he is still learning the faith and getting the hang of it, but his own words make it clear he knows the truth and then he publicly acts against it.

He has done this before. This article shows another example of him writing against ecuмanism and then publicly acting contrary to his words:

https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/

This is what all the concilliar popes have done to confuse the faithful.

For example, Benedict would say the Latin Mass

and then he would pray in a Mosque

and then he would say Latin Mass

and then he would pray in a ѕуηαgσgυє

and then he would say Latin Mass

and then he would pray with a female Lutheran Bishop.

same ol' same ol' smh

Ladislaus · « **Reply #32 on:** October 28, 2023, 03:23:28 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 28, 2023, 02:40:37 PM

By the Redemption we have been ransomed from the yoke of the devil, and through Grace we have supernatural assistance in fighting the holy battle against the Adversary of mankind.

Really???

It's too bad you don't know a lick of theology to know that there's nothing wrong with this sentence. It's true that all men have been ransomed by the Redemption, and people can be assisted by grace even if they're not in a state of grace ... it's called actual grace. You may want to look it up in the Baltimore Catechism.

You have not retracted any of the slanders you've made here publicly against him and it's clearly gotten to the point of grave matter.

Both of these venues were primarily political in nature and he delivered a video address to them, but now you're trying to spin it as if he had engaged in communicatio in sacris Ecuмenism.

Your behavior toward +Vigano has been utterly deplorable. You need to retract your many debunked slanders, like the accusation of Masonry, and should go to Confession about it.

Not only do you have zero grasp of theology, you also struggle mightily with reading comprehension.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #33 on:** October 28, 2023, 03:59:31 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2023, 08:58:27 AM

So, for instance, there are conservatives who are Pro Life, anti-sodomy, etc. vs. those who are promoting sodomy and all manner of perversion. That dividing line is clear to see. It doesn't mean that they're in a position to receive supernatural life or salvation.

Where is the anti-sodomy dividing line?

The Trump administration is starting a campaign to end the global criminalization of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in countries where it is illegal to be gαy.

That represents the "Children of Light"???

That represents the Redeemed "Children of Light" who have been ransomed by grace???

Does that represent the pro-life "children of Light" assisted by grace in fighting a holy battle against Satan??

Is this anti-sodomy:

First Lady Melania Trump speaks to LGBT Americans

I'm not seeing the line here.

Why gαy People and the LGBTQ Community Should Vote for Trump

"President Trump is the most Pro-gαy president in American History."

Maybe you are right, Lad.

Maybe I don't understand how the Catholic Faith works because I don't understand how these people are the "redeemed", "children of Light". ??

I don't understand why he called the crowd,

"We the people aligned with God." ??

2Vermont · « **Reply #34 on:** October 28, 2023, 04:10:21 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2023, 03:23:28 PM

It's too bad you don't know a lick of theology to know that there's nothing wrong with this sentence. It's true that all men have been ransomed by the Redemption, and people can be assisted by grace even if they're not in a state of grace ... it's called actual grace. You may want to look it up in the Baltimore Catechism.

You have not retracted any of the slanders you've made here publicly against him and it's clearly gotten to the point of grave matter.

Both of these venues were primarily political in nature and he delivered a video address to them, but now you're trying to spin it as if he had engaged in communicatio in sacris Ecuмenism.

Your behavior toward +Vigano has been utterly deplorable. You need to retract your many debunked slanders, like the accusation of Masonry, and should go to Confession about it.

Not only do you have zero grasp of theology, you also struggle mightily with reading comprehension.

Do you have any doubts/concerns about Vigano?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #35 on:** October 28, 2023, 04:15:12 PM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 28, 2023, 03:59:31 PM

Maybe you are right, Lad.

Maybe I don't understand how the Catholic Faith works because I don't understand how these people are the "redeemed", "children of Light". ??

I don't understand why he called the crowd,

"We the people aligned with God." ??

Yes, I am right. Maybe you should correct St. Augustine about his concept regarding the "children of light", where he divides human beings into two camps, those drawn toward God, whom he termed "children of light", and those who are militating against God. This does not mean everyone has supernatural salvation or have arrived at their destination, but St. Augustine wrote about two camps and two trends, i.e. that there are only two directions, toward God or away from him, in other words two "alignments". +Vigano is clearly referring to St. Augustine's City of God.

Then you can correct the Council of Trent (and other Councils and Magisterium) that Christ died for, redeemed, and ransomed all men ... even if not all receive the benefits of His Redemption.

Perhaps you should educate yourself a little bit before sitting in your armchair and pontificating about theological matters you know nothing about.

But, then, I've corrected you on these matters several times, but this does not stop you from spamming in the same nonsense over and over again. That's the point at which your malice toward +Vigano becomes apparent.

2Vermont · « **Reply #36 on:** October 28, 2023, 04:19:30 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2023, 04:15:12 PM

Yes, I am right. Maybe you should correct St. Augustine about his concept regarding the "children of light", where he divides human beings into two camps, those drawn toward God, whom he termed "children of light", and those who are militating against God. This does not mean everyone has supernatural salvation or have arrived at their destination, but St. Augustine write about two camps and two trends, i.e. that there are only two directions, toward God or away from him.

Then you can correct the Council of Trent (and other Councils and Magisterium) that Christ died for, redeemed, and ransomed all men ... even if not all receive the benefits of His Redemption.

Perhaps you should educate yourself a little bit before sitting in your armchair and pontificating about theological matters you know nothing about.

But, then, I've corrected you on these matters several times, but this does not stop you from spamming in the same nonsense over and over again. That's the point at which your malice toward +Vigano becomes apparent.

Guess who said this Lad:

"We are the people of the light, they are the people of darkness and light shall triumph over darkness."

Prime Minister Netanyahu.

Perhaps Vigano should avoid this kind of talk?

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #37 on:** October 28, 2023, 04:20:14 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2023, 04:15:12 PM

Yes, I am right. Maybe you should correct St. Augustine about his concept regarding the "children of light", where he divides human beings into two camps, those drawn toward God, whom he termed "children of light", and those who are militating against God. This does not mean everyone has supernatural salvation or have arrived at their destination, but St. Augustine write about two camps and two trends, i.e. that there are only two directions, toward God or away from him.

Then you can correct the Council of Trent (and other Councils and Magisterium) that Christ died for, redeemed, and ransomed all men ... even if not all receive the benefits of His Redemption.

So a crowd of sodomites, Jews, Christian Zionists, Luciferian New Agers, etc.

are not the enemy of God but are

in the camp of those who are drawing towards God?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #38 on:** October 28, 2023, 04:29:45 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on October 28, 2023, 04:19:30 PM

Guess who said this Lad:

"We are the people of the light, they are the people of darkness and light shall triumph over darkness."

Prime Minister Netanyahu.

Perhaps Vigano should avoid this kind of talk?

Ah, OK, because Netanyahu called good evil and evil good, we're now supposed to let the Jews appropriate the thinking of St. Augustine. Right .... In fact, we should stop saying that Our Lord is "the Light" also.

2Vermont · « **Reply #39 on:** October 28, 2023, 04:31:19 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2023, 04:29:45 PM

Ah, OK, because Netanyahu called good evil and evil good, we're now supposed to let the Jews appropriate the thinking of St. Augustine. Right ....

You don't even see that you can't possibly think poorly of Vigano. He can do no wrong in your view. That's obvious.

You act just as badly as those who see nothing good in him.

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #40 on:** October 28, 2023, 05:36:12 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2023, 09:03:56 AM

+Vigano is no religious indifferentist. In his letter of June 9, 2020 ... where he first came out as a Traditionalist, responding to Athanasius Schneider by stating that Vatican II is thoroughly corrupt, cannot be salvaged, and must be thrown out completely ... see how he concludes the letter.

https://www.catholicity.com/vigano/2020-06-09.html

Here is his concluding paragraph:

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 28, 2023, 11:29:47 AM

Douay-Rheims Bible

For all you are the children of light, and children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Valid points, unfortunately the ape of God disguises himself as an angel of light and luciferians also use the term. And while we shouldn't put our trust in princes (he isn't a valid bishop), it does seem Vigano is heading in the right direction. Especially that comment referring to the Athanasius Creed, it also destroys 'invincible ignorance'.

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #41 on:** October 28, 2023, 05:40:44 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on October 28, 2023, 04:19:30 PM

Guess who said this Lad:

"We are the people of the light, they are the people of darkness and light shall triumph over darkness."

Prime Minister Netanyahu.

Perhaps Vigano should avoid this kind of talk?

See

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 28, 2023, 11:29:47 AM

Douay-Rheims Bible

For all you are the children of light, and children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

and

Quote from: AnthonyPadua on October 28, 2023, 05:36:12 PM

Valid points, unfortunately the ape of God disguises himself as an angel of light and luciferians also use the term. And while we shouldn't put our trust in princes (he isn't a valid bishop), it does seem Vigano is heading in the right direction. Especially that comment referring to the Athanasius Creed, it also destroys 'invincible ignorance'.

I will give Vigano the benefit of doubt of the Children of light stuff (for now), but like to a good house holder I will watch and see what he continues to do.

Miser Peccator · « **Reply #42 on:** October 28, 2023, 05:48:47 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2023, 04:29:45 PM

Ah, OK, because Netanyahu called good evil and evil good, we're now supposed to let the Jєωs appropriate the thinking of St. Augustine. Right .... In fact, we should stop saying that Our Lord is "the Light" also.

Here are some quotes from St Augustine on sodomy:

"Sins against nature … like the sin of Sodom, are abominable and deserve punishment whenever and wherever they are committed. If all nations committed them, all alike would be held guilty of the same charge in God's law, for our Creator did not prescribe that we should use each other in this way. In fact, the relationship that we ought to have with God is itself violated when our nature, of which he is Author, is desecrated by perverted lust."

Further on he reiterated the charge that by this sin man corrupts and perverts his own nature:

"Your punishments [O God] are for the sins that men commit against themselves because, although they sin against You, they do wrong in their own souls and their malice is self-betrayed. They corrupt and pervert their own nature, which You made and for which You shaped the rules, either by making wrong use of the things that You allow, or by becoming inflamed with passion 'to make unnatural use of things which You do not allow' (Rom 1:26)."

So I just don't see St Augustine addressing the supporters of the

"Most pro-gαy president in history"

and calling them the "children of Light" who are "aligned with God". ???

Would St Augustine call sodomites, New Age Luciferians, Jєωs and Christian Zionists

"We the people aligned with God"?

You're right, I'm not a theologian but I just don't see St Augustine doing that.

Here are some quotes from St Augustine's City of God:

“Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jєωιѕн people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ.”

“the house of Israel which [God] has cast off… are themselves the builders of destruction and rejecters of the cornerstone [Jesus]… the Lord Christ distinguished between His faithful ones and His Jєωιѕн enemies [my emphasis, also below].”

So I just can't see St Augustine taking part in this:

Quote

Jericho March™ is comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians [sic] collectively praying to God to intercede, expose a particular darkness, and bring about justice. As a community of believers, we take our petitions to heaven, and we know that our mighty and powerful God answers and can move mountains.

Quote

This Election Jericho March™ will culminate in a massive national peaceful prayer rally protest in Washington, D.C. on Dec. 12, 2020 called “Let the Church ROAR!” where we will march around the U.S. Capitol seven times to send a very clear message to national and state leaders as they hear patriots and people of faith roar in support of election integrity, transparency, and reform.

(“Dec 12, 2020 Events” at JerichoMarch.org; underlining added.)

"Let the CHURCH ROAR" ???

What "church" are they talking about?

Did St Augustine believe in a "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian church"?

And I just can't imagine St Augustine standing behind this banner:

and calling the crowd:

"We the people aligned with God."

I'm pretty sure that St Augustine believed in the Blessed Trinity

so St Augustine's God is definitely not "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian" or Zionist.

It appears that Vigano has a different understanding of who God is

and who is aligned with Him.

Michelle · « **Reply #43 on:** October 28, 2023, 09:36:32 PM »

Maybe because we have grown up in such an unChristian Era, we cannot rightly discern what true Catholicism is anymore. When a supposedly Catholic bishop publicly addresses a group of jews, heretics, new ages and pro-sodomites as the "people aligned with God." And those aligned with satan are the deep state Wef, globalists. And we don't see a problem with that? Not only that, but the person who calls him out is rebuked as slandering.
Diabolical disorientation! As Sister Lucy stated.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #44 on:** October 28, 2023, 10:21:51 PM »

There’s political speech and there’s religious speech. Many of you cannot see the difference and expect clerics to only speak religiously and not politically. This is an error.

Vigano is very clear that he’s talking politically, because he names the enemies as WEF, Gates, etc. In the political context, anyone who is pro-natural law is anti-WEF, so they are on God's side (since the WEF is openly satanist). Vigano is speaking generally and not specifically. And he’s right. And many of these people may well convert when the Good Lord gives the Church a holy pope.

Those of you who keep trying to frame Vigano’s comments as some type of religious movement are morons and you can’t see the bigger picture.

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