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Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
« Reply #195 on: November 01, 2023, 04:16:49 PM »
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  • The Chants of the Vatican Gradual

    Dom Dominic Johner

    Published in 1940



    Nihil obstat and Imprimatur is listed after the title page

    https://archive.org/details/chantsofvaticang00john/page/n7/mode/2up



    Page 54


    https://archive.org/details/chantsofvaticang00john/page/54/mode/2up





    Sol Invictus

    So now this is absolute proof that the words "Sol Invictus" is a traditional way to name Our Lord? I'm not buying it.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #196 on: November 01, 2023, 04:18:27 PM »
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  • Thanks, trad123, for finding these.  Yet certain types here will not desist from this slander.

    When Miser first asserted that +Vigano is a Mason because he concluded his letters with "So may it be." (since it sounds like the Masonic "So mote it be."), I first pointed out that he writes in Italian, not English (so the "mote" is moot), and that the expression could very well be a translation of the equivalent of "Amen".

    Then, like you're doing now with the Sol Invictus nonsense, we had a poster here provide pictures of a pre-Vatican II Italian Tridentine Missal, which ... translated Amen as the Italian equivalent of "So may it be" and also attest to the fact that a Traditional Italian priest concluded his semons with the expression.

    Yet that evidence was also ignored, the accusation never retracted, but instead re-spammed over and over again after it was definitively debunked.  So this evidence you have should put a final nail in the coffin of this latest slander, something tells me that it won't.

    I have never stated that he is a Mason, so Lad is slandering me.

    I pointed out that he is using their lingo

    and I asked the question, "Why is he doing that?"

    Amen can be translated simply as "AMEN" in Italian.

    But instead he ended letters which were not prayers or even prayerful in language with

    "So may it be".

    Anyone can see what Google pulls up when you enter the words

    "So may it be". 

    It's automatically associated with lodges and Wicca and an image search will reveal lots of merchandise with those words printed on it by these Luciferians.  They really love that phrase.  And as docuмented, lodges end their letters and communications that way.

    So why wouldn't I ask questions about it?

    The same with the use of Sol Invictus.  Google it and see what comes up including images.  It's not pretty!

    Why wouldn't people ask questions about that?



    Thank you Trad123 for finally providing some actual proof of its use. 

    This has been discussed for months and nobody could find a reference.

    Instead Lad declared St Clement used it when St Clement actually used Sol Justitiae. 

    Then Lad insulted 2Vermont saying, "Can't you read?"  When he hadn't even provided the statement in the first place either in this thread or even in the past as he claimed. 

    Strange behavior.

    If we were to ask these questions about Francis would they get all bent out of shape like that?  No.

    People have posted photos of Francis with his hand in his shirt  and wondered if he is doing the hidden hand Freemason pose and nobody gets all up in arms.

    As Pius VI and Pius XI have stated we should take note of these things and call them out when we see them.  They made it clear that our enemies use "dual use" language so they can always deny plausibility, but they said that shouldn't stop us from pointing it out.


    But if people say they are noticing things which give them pause with Vigano pitchforks and emotional tirads ensue!


    How dare you even "pause"?  What the heck?


    And those are hardly the only issues with Vigano that have been pointed out.

    Again, the following things can be easily verified and should be causing alarm. They certainly would if Francis were doing these things. 


    The following issues with Vigano are all well docuмented, but just bringing them up means you are some kind of government plant?  :confused:

    That's what is insane. 


    1.


    2.  Participates at Zionist ecuмenical prayer rally and addresses crowd of Jєωs, Luciferian New Agers, Protestants etc. as the children of Light.  Why? Are they baptized or believers in Our Lord Jesus or Catholic?  No.  The only thing they have in common is they support Trump.

    3. Writes letter to rabbi stating that Jєωs do not wait for their Messiah in vain when their Moshiach is the Antichrist.

    4.  Meets with Crowleyan Satanist, Dugin, (who has made clear his plan to infiltrate and take down the Church from within by strengthening Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) and Opus Dei people in Venice to plan the post covid era.

    5.  Meets with Crowleyan Satanist, Dugin, at the Russophile conference.

    6.  Shares Dugin's doctrine stating that Moscow is the Third Rome.  This when Moscow's Putin has declared Communism came from Christianity and promotes venerating Stalin's relics and their Orthodox Church is run by KGB Kirill and is a heretical sect that promotes ecuмanism (Muslims worship the same god).

    7.  Lied to the Awaken America crowd by stating that the pandemic farce would have never taken place under Trump.  This after 1000's of deaths and Trump demands credit and wants to go down as the Father of the Vaccine.

    8.  Prophecized that Trump would negotiate a peace deal that would create a "coexistence of equal nations". That phrase is a well known communist doctrine with ties to Lenin, Kruschev and the UN as well as the objectives of the NWO described by Ben Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel.

    9.  Eulogizes Benedict by saying he is in Purgatory or Heaven.  No chance of Hell for that notorious heretic.  Says Benedict was liberal in his youth but conservative in his later years.  100% not true.

    10.  Declares three Katechons, none of which are the true papacy:
    Trump, Benedict, and Moscow

    12.  Continues to support Trump at Zionist Awaken America Rallies.  Continually declares that Trump is the enemy of the WEF and Gates etc. when he is clearly implementing their goals.

    13. Tells the Zionist Awaken America "We Stand With Israel"  crowd they are "the people standing with God".    Which God
    is that?


    Why would asking these questions make somebody a government agent?  :laugh1:

    The #1 Biggest red flag for me is that he LIED to MAGA rally by stating that we know the pandemic farce would have never taken place under Trump.

    Um, we ALL know the pandemic farce took place under Trump, who oversaw Operation Warpspeed and wants to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine".  


    If somebody is willing to LIE to your face like that, why would you trust them after that?


    Why haven't people learned to vet their own heroes as well as they vet their enemies?    Haven't we learned?
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #197 on: November 01, 2023, 04:22:10 PM »
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    So now this is absolute proof that the words "Sol Invictus" is a traditional way to name Our Lord? I'm not buying it.
    :laugh1:

    Sees book dated 1940 and an imprimatur.  Responds:  "I'm not buying it."

    :jester:  Is there a full moon tonight?  Because this thread is full of lunatics.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #198 on: November 01, 2023, 04:27:08 PM »
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  • So now this is absolute proof that the words "Sol Invictus" is a traditional way to name Our Lord? I'm not buying it.

    Your opinion on matters like this is so unbalanced it’s next to worthless. Trad123 found proof that Sol Invictus was used for Our Lord, the point is moot.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #199 on: November 01, 2023, 04:28:23 PM »
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  • :laugh1:

    Sees book dated 1940 and an imprimatur.  Responds:  "I'm not buying it."

    :jester:  Is there a full moon tonight?  Because this thread is full of lunatics.

    As miser said in a recent post - it took a long time for someone to FINALLY find a reference for "Sol Invictus." So now you believe that it's a common traditional way to describe Our Lord? Since when did ANY traditional Catholic priest or bishop ever use these words to describe Our Lord? I did a search to see if Archbishop Lefebvre ever used this description, and I couldn't find anything. So what if some guy translates a Vatican chant, and uses to words "Sol Invictus." How do we know what the original German words were exactly? 

    In any case, those who believe that +Vigano is a traditional Catholic, go right ahead and think that if you want. I don't believe that he is. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #200 on: November 01, 2023, 04:29:40 PM »
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  • Your opinion on matters like this is so unbalanced it’s next to worthless.

    If "Sol Invictus" is a traditional way to describe Our Lord, can you find any reputable traditional Catholic priest or bishop who has used these words? Any at all?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #201 on: November 01, 2023, 04:31:23 PM »
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  • If "Sol Invictus" is a traditional way to describe Our Lord, can you find any reputable traditional Catholic priest or bishop who has used these words? Any at all?

    You don’t like Vigano because he’s showing some movement towards sedevacantism, right?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #202 on: November 01, 2023, 04:32:53 PM »
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  • You don’t like Vigano because he’s showing some movement towards sedevacantism, right?
    Wait, if he is, then wouldn't that mean that *we* wouldn't be questioning him?  This is all soooooo confusing. ;):laugh1:


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #203 on: November 01, 2023, 04:36:56 PM »
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  • You don’t like Vigano because he’s showing some movement towards sedevacantism, right?

    I had a problem with +Vigano before he aired his benevacantist views.

    You're a sedevacantist, right? Have you asked your sedevacantist priest if he has ever heard of Our Lord being described as "Sol Invictus?"

    Has any sedevacantist here asked their priest if he has ever heard of "Sol Invictus" being used to describe Our Lord? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #204 on: November 01, 2023, 04:37:48 PM »
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  • As miser said in a recent post - it took a long time for someone to FINALLY find a reference for "Sol Invictus." So now you believe that it's a common traditional way to describe Our Lord? Since when did ANY traditional Catholic priest or bishop ever use these words to describe Our Lord? I did a search to see if Archbishop Lefebvre ever used this description, and I couldn't find anything. So what if some guy translates a Vatican chant, and uses to words "Sol Invictus." How do we know what the original German words were exactly?

    In any case, those who believe that +Vigano is a traditional Catholic, go right ahead and think that if you want. I don't believe that he is.


    Now you are an example of what Ladislaus has been raging against. His mistake was putting Vermont and I in the same kettle as you. He goes too far one way and you are too far in the other direction.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #205 on: November 01, 2023, 04:40:42 PM »
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  • I had a problem with +Vigano before he aired his benevacantist views.

    You're a sedevacantist, right? Have you asked your sedevacantist priest if he has ever heard of Our Lord being described as "Sol Invictus?"

    I don’t need to ask a priest since Trad123 found sufficient evidence to support his position. Sorry, but references matter.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #206 on: November 01, 2023, 04:42:51 PM »
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  • Wait, if he is, then wouldn't that mean that *we* wouldn't be questioning him?  This is all soooooo confusing. ;):laugh1:


    😂😂😂
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #207 on: November 01, 2023, 04:43:07 PM »
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  • I don’t need to ask a priest since Trad123 for sufficient evidence to support his position. Sorry, but references matter.

    So it doesn't matter if traditional Catholic priests and bishops (either sedevacantist or non-sedevacantist) do not use this "Sol Invictus" to describe Our lord? 

    And it also doesn't matter that masons and other lucifarians do use this "Sol Invictus" to describe Our Lord (or their own goofy interpretation of Our lord)?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #208 on: November 01, 2023, 05:16:57 PM »
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  • I have never stated that he is a Mason, so Lad is slandering me.

    I pointed out that he is using their lingo

    and I asked the question, "Why is he doing that?"

    Amen can be translated simply as "AMEN" in Italian.

    But instead he ended letters which were not prayers or even prayerful in language with

    "So may it be".

    Anyone can see what Google pulls up when you enter the words

    "So may it be". 

    It's automatically associated with lodges and Wicca and an image search will reveal lots of merchandise with those words printed on it by these Luciferians.  They really love that phrase.  And as docuмented, lodges end their letters and communications that way.

    So why wouldn't I ask questions about it?

    The same with the use of Sol Invictus.  Google it and see what comes up including images.  It's not pretty!

    Why wouldn't people ask questions about that?



    Thank you Trad123 for finally providing some actual proof of its use. 

    This has been discussed for months and nobody could find a reference.

    Instead Lad declared St Clement used it when St Clement actually used Sol Justitiae. 

    Then Lad insulted 2Vermont saying, "Can't you read?"  When he hadn't even provided the statement in the first place either in this thread or even in the past as he claimed. 

    Strange behavior.

    If we were to ask these questions about Francis would they get all bent out of shape like that?  No.

    People have posted photos of Francis with his hand in his shirt  and wondered if he is doing the hidden hand Freemason pose and nobody gets all up in arms.

    As Pius VI and Pius XI have stated we should take note of these things and call them out when we see them.  They made it clear that our enemies use "dual use" language so they can always deny plausibility, but they said that shouldn't stop us from pointing it out.


    But if people say they are noticing things which give them pause with Vigano pitchforks and emotional tirads ensue!


    How dare you even "pause"?  What the heck?


    And those are hardly the only issues with Vigano that have been pointed out.

    Again, the following things can be easily verified and should be causing alarm. They certainly would if Francis were doing these things. 


    The following issues with Vigano are all well docuмented, but just bringing them up means you are some kind of government plant?  :confused:

    That's what is insane. 


    1.


    2.  Participates at Zionist ecuмenical prayer rally and addresses crowd of Jєωs, Luciferian New Agers, Protestants etc. as the children of Light.  Why? Are they baptized or believers in Our Lord Jesus or Catholic?  No.  The only thing they have in common is they support Trump.

    3. Writes letter to rabbi stating that Jєωs do not wait for their Messiah in vain when their Moshiach is the Antichrist.

    4.  Meets with Crowleyan Satanist, Dugin, (who has made clear his plan to infiltrate and take down the Church from within by strengthening Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) and Opus Dei people in Venice to plan the post covid era.

    5.  Meets with Crowleyan Satanist, Dugin, at the Russophile conference.

    6.  Shares Dugin's doctrine stating that Moscow is the Third Rome.  This when Moscow's Putin has declared Communism came from Christianity and promotes venerating Stalin's relics and their Orthodox Church is run by KGB Kirill and is a heretical sect that promotes ecuмanism (Muslims worship the same god).

    7.  Lied to the Awaken America crowd by stating that the pandemic farce would have never taken place under Trump.  This after 1000's of deaths and Trump demands credit and wants to go down as the Father of the Vaccine.

    8.  Prophecized that Trump would negotiate a peace deal that would create a "coexistence of equal nations". That phrase is a well known communist doctrine with ties to Lenin, Kruschev and the UN as well as the objectives of the NWO described by Ben Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel.

    9.  Eulogizes Benedict by saying he is in Purgatory or Heaven.  No chance of Hell for that notorious heretic.  Says Benedict was liberal in his youth but conservative in his later years.  100% not true.

    10.  Declares three Katechons, none of which are the true papacy:
    Trump, Benedict, and Moscow

    12.  Continues to support Trump at Zionist Awaken America Rallies.  Continually declares that Trump is the enemy of the WEF and Gates etc. when he is clearly implementing their goals.

    13. Tells the Zionist Awaken America "We Stand With Israel"  crowd they are "the people standing with God".    Which God
    is that?


    Why would asking these questions make somebody a government agent?  :laugh1:

    The #1 Biggest red flag for me is that he LIED to MAGA rally by stating that we know the pandemic farce would have never taken place under Trump.

    Um, we ALL know the pandemic farce took place under Trump, who oversaw Operation Warpspeed and wants to be known as the "Father of the Vaccine". 


    If somebody is willing to LIE to your face like that, why would you trust them after that?


    Why haven't people learned to vet their own heroes as well as they vet their enemies?    Haven't we learned?

    As for Cui Bono,

    why would Vigano lie to cover for Trump?  

    Who does that benefit?


    And people should Google the words "coexistence of equal nations"

    and learn more about that.


    Vigano used those words to describe a peace deal that he prophesizes Trump will negotiate one day. 


    Hint:  It's not as nice as it sounds.  :/
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #209 on: November 01, 2023, 05:43:52 PM »
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  • Vigano has used this LOADED phrase several times but here is just one example:


    "The defeat of the deep state by the healthy forces within the United States of America will be the premise for a peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others. This is why Donald Trump was ousted by electoral fraud from the Presidency of the United States"
    Vigano, June 17th 2022





    Peaceful Coexistence — Two Diametrically Opposed Policies

    https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/docuмents/polemic/peaceful.htm


    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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