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Offline Yeti

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Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
« Reply #165 on: October 31, 2023, 10:01:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 31, 2023, 09:27:41 PM
    Why would members of a secret society which desires to infiltrate and take down the Catholic Church from within tell the world openly:

    "Hey that guy is one of ours!"

    That's why they use their little phrases and hand signs in the first place.

    They don't want us to recognize it. 

    They always use methods that allow them to cover themselves with plausible deniability.

    There is no way to prove it.

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    :facepalm: You know what, Miser, you just made it onto my ignore list. Almost everything you post on here is complete bushido. I've had enough of this.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #166 on: October 31, 2023, 10:06:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on October 31, 2023, 10:01:38 PM
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    :facepalm: You know what, Miser, you just made it onto my ignore list. Almost everything you post on here is complete bushido. I've had enough of this.

    Okay,


    will you be putting Pope Pius VI on your ignore list too?

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    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #167 on: October 31, 2023, 10:11:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: magdalena on October 31, 2023, 10:01:14 PM
    True. Sol Justitiae, not Sol Invictus.  How many times does it have to be said that Sol Invictus has never been used by the Catholic Church as a title, but has been used by Luciferians and New Agers?

    Why not pray the Litany of the Most Holy Name of Jesus instead?

    https://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/Litany%20of%20the%20Holy%20Name.html

    Put not your trust in princes:  3 In the children of men, in whom there is no salvation.  4 His spirit shall go forth, and he shall return into his earth: in that day all their thoughts shall perish. 5 Blessed is he who hath the God of Jacob for his helper, whose hope is in the Lord his God:  (Psalm 145)


    That sums it up quite nicely!  
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #168 on: October 31, 2023, 10:26:09 PM »
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    • I suppose it could be said that if JPII can come up with his “luminous” mysteries of the Holy Rosary, then Vigano can come up with a new title, Sol Invictus, for Our Lord.  But it’s not one I’ll be using, especially since it’s used by Luciferians.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #169 on: October 31, 2023, 10:27:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 31, 2023, 08:52:14 PM
    Or maybe he learned it here?







    And just to be clear, in case people missed it because you have to slide the photo


    notice the name of this lodge:    Sol Invictus 13



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #170 on: November 01, 2023, 07:10:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: magdalena on October 31, 2023, 10:01:14 PM
    True. Sol Justitiae, not Sol Invictus.  How many times does it have to be said that Sol Invictus has never been used by the Catholic Church as a title, but has been used by Luciferians and New Agers?

    Yes, the title Sol Invictus for Christ appears to be a clear innovation.  This should make others here at least question it rather than poo poo it or make excuses for it (or attack other posters who do question it).  

    Pages and pages and no one has come up with just one example where the Church has used this title for Our Lord.  One doesn't have to jump to the conclusion that it's secret code, but it should raise a Catholic's eyebrow. 

    But....it appears innovations are more than not OK to make  ....unless they are made by Vigano.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #171 on: November 01, 2023, 08:37:17 AM »
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    • :facepalm:  Yeah, an “innovation” that goes back to the first centuries.

    P.s.  This is a unique topic in that almost all the women agree there’s a problem and most of the men do not.  Draw your own conclusions…:laugh1:
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #172 on: November 01, 2023, 10:13:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 01, 2023, 08:37:17 AM
    :facepalm:  Yeah, an “innovation” that goes back to the first centuries.

    P.s.  This is a unique topic in that almost all the women agree there’s a problem and most of the men do not.  Draw your own conclusions…:laugh1:

    Yep.  This is absurd.  OK, so what?  Maybe +Vigano shouldn't use Our Lord as the Sun imagery, as appears in Sacred Scripture, St. Clement of Alexandria, early Christian iconography, etc.  Maybe.  But answer the question:  SO WHAT?  This stupidity that he's some gnostic sun-worshipping Luciferian as a result is the biggest load of slanderous nonsense that I've ever heard.  At worst he was wrong in not rejecting the Scriptural, Patristic, and historical precedents for this imagery.  At best, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

    What we're witnessing is a number of individual who simply don't like +Vigano for various ulterior motives and are looking for anything to justify their animosity toward him.  He could come out tomorrow and declare all the V2 papal claimants illegitimate, and these folks still would claim that he's a Luciferian infiltrator.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #173 on: November 01, 2023, 11:03:29 AM »
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    • Yeah, those silly women at the tomb!  :laugh1: 

    And (most of) the men continue to ignore the specific title in question:  Sol Invictus. Never used by the Church.

    While continuing with the facepalming and insults. 

    Stop acting like children.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #174 on: November 01, 2023, 01:00:24 PM »
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    Never used by the Church.
    So then all the saints that were quoted on this thread are also luciferian and not 'part of the Church'.  :facepalm:


    How do you know that this term hasn't been used before by 'Church authorities'?  Have you read every book in the Vatican archives?  
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    Offline Michelle

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #175 on: November 01, 2023, 01:37:16 PM »
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    • I think the suspicions about +Vigano are not based solely about him referring to Our Lord as Sol Invictus, the same title used by satanists and Freemasons.  That standing alone could be overlooked.  Put together with his ecuмenical support in the Trump rallies, and renew America gatherings, referring to heretics, jews, and those who oppose the "deep state" as the "children of light" or " those aligned with God", is very disturbing coming from a prince of the church whose duty it is to convert souls to the true faith and not coddle and support them in their errors.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #176 on: November 01, 2023, 02:00:17 PM »
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    • Pygmalion’s Power: Romanesque Sculpture, the Senses, and Religious Experience

    Thomas E. A. Dale

    Published by the Pennsylvania State University Press


    Chapter 5: Renewing the Temple: Living Stones and Embodied Theophanies

    Pages 195 to 196:



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    The antiphons sung at Saint-Lazare on the feast of the Presentation/Purification in conjunction with the blessing of the candles emphasize the theme of vision and light, drawing on Simeon’s proclamation that Christ is the “Light to illuminate the Gentiles” to signal the mediation of the purified physical senses in facilitating spiritual seeing and entry into the heavenly Jerusalem:

    May the [faithful people] rejoice not only on account of the exterior light, but also the expulsion of blindness from the heart. Just as the light illuminates that which it grasps in the shadows, may it by no means stray from the pathway of truth. . . . May you [God] thus fill us with the light of your brightness so that the shadows of all infidelities may be repelled from us. And just as today, you sent away your servant, thus may you find us worthy to manage in the peace of your holy church, so that we might be worthy to enter the portal of repose. In the day of the judgment of the just, may we be worthy [to enter] in the place where the rays of true light with the hymns of the chorus of angels are poured out, [and] to see the face of the invincible Sun, the same Jesus Christ our Lord.61


    Sol Invictus




    (By Saint-Lazare the text means the Cathedral of Saint Lazarus in Autun, France)


    Note 61  Cited in Zink, “Zur Ikonographie,” 53–55.


    Zink, Jochen. Zur Ikonographie der Portalskulptur der Kathedrale Saint-Lazare in Autun.” Jahrbuch des Zentralinstituts für Kunstgeschichte 5/6 (1989–90): 7–160.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #177 on: November 01, 2023, 02:10:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 01, 2023, 10:13:16 AM
    Yep.  This is absurd.  OK, so what?  Maybe +Vigano shouldn't use Our Lord as the Sun imagery, as appears in Sacred Scripture, St. Clement of Alexandria, early Christian iconography, etc.  Maybe.  But answer the question:  SO WHAT?  This stupidity that he's some gnostic sun-worshipping Luciferian as a result is the biggest load of slanderous nonsense that I've ever heard.  At worst he was wrong in not rejecting the Scriptural, Patristic, and historical precedents for this imagery.  At best, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

    What we're witnessing is a number of individual who simply don't like +Vigano for various ulterior motives and are looking for anything to justify their animosity toward him.  He could come out tomorrow and declare all the V2 papal claimants illegitimate, and these folks still would claim that he's a Luciferian infiltrator.


    More rash judging…… This is absolutely preposterous! What you are really saying is that we have to accept Vigano’s sincerity without hesitation or question! In reality, it is totally imperative and extremely prudent that one be skeptical of any cleric, especially a high ranking one, coming out of the false NO church. 

    Frankly, who are you, or any of the other fanboys on this forum, to bully anyone into accepting a NO cleric without question or hesitation? Your judgement on important matters like this is very questionable indeed.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #178 on: November 01, 2023, 02:13:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Michelle on November 01, 2023, 01:37:16 PM
    I think the suspicions about +Vigano are not based solely about him referring to Our Lord as Sol Invictus, the same title used by satanists and Freemasons.  That standing alone could be overlooked.  Put together with his ecuмenical support in the Trump rallies, and renew America gatherings, referring to heretics, jews, and those who oppose the "deep state" as the "children of light" or " those aligned with God", is very disturbing coming from a prince of the church whose duty it is to convert souls to the true faith and not coddle and support them in their errors.
    Yes, those of us who have concerns understand this.  I agree: if this was the only thing, it could be overlooked. But it is not.

    When Michael Matt nixed Vigano from his Unite the Novus Ordo Clans, I saw that as a very positive turn and, as a result, I put these other concerns on the back burner temporarily; however, his message at the most recent "Reawaken America Tour" made me take another look at them (as well as consider others I had not considered before...this being one).

    To PV's point, which is a valid point, I do not know for sure whether this particular title has ever been used/approved by the Church, but there is no evidence for it.  And no one who is saying it has been used/approved by the Church has been able to prove that it has. All they do is point to other titles that have "Sol" in them as proof.  Again, if this were the only issue, we could let it go (at least I could), but it's not (at least for me).
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #179 on: November 01, 2023, 02:17:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on November 01, 2023, 02:13:48 PM
    Yes, those of us who have concerns understand this.  I agree: if this was the only thing, it could be overlooked. But it is not.

    When Michael Matt nixed Vigano from his Unite the Novus Ordo Clans, I saw that as a very positive turn and, as a result, I put these other concerns on the back burner temporarily; however, his message at the most recent "Reawaken America Tour" made me take another look at them (as well as consider others I had not considered before).

    To PV's point, which is a valid point, I do not know for sure whether this particular title has ever been used/approved by the Church, but there is no evidence for it.  And no one who is saying it has been used/approved by the Church has been able to prove that it has. All they do is point to other titles that have "Sol" in them as proof.  Again, if this were the only issue, we could let it go (at least I could), but it's not (at least for me).


    Excellent post. Ditto.
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