Just out of curiousity....what do the faithful gain by declaring Bergoglio isn't pope?  Is there an improvement in our relationship with Christ?  Do we gain more certainties of Heaven?  I'm just wondering why lay people need to engage in these activities.  I'm not necessarily opposed to it on principle but qui bono?

3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,  4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.  5 Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?  6 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time.  7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way.  8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him,  9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,  10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.

For indulters like Michael Matt, the Bennyvacantist theory lets them stay inside new-rome/V2 but still declare Francis a heretic.  It’s a false and dangerous idea. 


The true answer is all V2 popes are heretics, not just Francis.  Hope Vigano points this out.

For indulters like Michael Matt, the Bennyvacantist theory lets them stay inside new-rome/V2 but still declare Francis a heretic.  It’s a false and dangerous idea. 


The true answer is all V2 popes are heretics, not just Francis.  Hope Vigano points this out.

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Yes, I kind of think it's going to be an awkward fit with Vigano in there with all the Bennyvacantists. Regular sedevacantism and Bennyvacantism are very different worldviews. I don't know all the other speakers that well, but Ann Barnhardt becomes absolutely vitriolic when she condemns regular sedevacantism. If Vigano is headed in that direction then I have to think this alliance isn't going to last long.

I do think that +Vigano is heading in the direction of questioning all the V2 papal claimants, since toward the end of Vitium Consensus he mentions that the problem is bigger than Bergoglio, that it leads back to Vatican II, and that Bergoglio is merely the inevitable consequence of V2.  So we'll see how it all plays out.

Last Sunday, the Church celebrated the Most Holy Trinity, and in the Breviary it offers us the recitation of the Symbolum Athanasianum, now outlawed by the conciliar liturgy and already reduced to only two occasions in the liturgical reform of 1962. The first words of that now-disappeared Symbolum remain inscribed in letters of gold: “Quicuмque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est ut teneat Catholicam fidem; quam nisi quisque integram inviolatamque servaverit, absque dubio in aeternum peribit – Whosoever wishes to be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith; For unless a person shall have kept this faith whole and inviolate, without doubt he shall eternally perish.”

+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop