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Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
« Reply #105 on: October 30, 2023, 10:55:20 PM »
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  • Sol Invictus and “The Great Invocation”?  It’s not looking good. 

    :incense:
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #106 on: October 30, 2023, 11:59:35 PM »
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  • St. Augustine

    Exposition on Psalm 40

    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1801040.htm



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    Lo, in the sacrifice of Christ, I recognise the Lamb that was slain! What of the unleavened bread? "Therefore," says he, "let us keep the feast; not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of wickedness" (he shows what is meant by "old;" it is "stale" flour; it is sour), "but in the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." 1 Corinthians 5:8 They have continued in the shade; they cannot abide the Sun of Glory. We are already in the light of day. We have "the Body" of Christ, we have the Blood of Christ. If we have a new life, let us "sing a new song, even a hymn unto our God." "Burnt offerings for sin You did not desire. Then said I, Lo, I come!"



    Sol Gloriae





    St. Clement of Alexandria

    Exhortation to the Heathen (Chapter 9)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/020809.htm



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    Christ, the Sun of the Resurrection, He who was born before the morning star, and with His beams bestows life.


    Sol Resurrectionis




    Hilary of Poitiers

    On the Trinity (Book II)



    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/330202.htm




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    35.


    [ . . . ]




    That Gift, which is in Christ, is One, yet offered, and offered fully, to all; denied to none, and given to each according to the measure of his willingness to receive; its stores the richer, the more earnest the desire to earn them. This gift is with us unto the end of the world, the solace of our waiting, the assurance, by the favours which He bestows, of the hope that shall be ours, the light of our minds, the sun of our souls.




    Sol animarum nostrarum







    Methodius

    Banquet of the Ten Virgins (Discourse 6)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/062306.htm



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    Chapter 4


    [ . . .]


    For he says, Leviticus 24:3 " they shall burn it until the morning," that is, until the coming of Christ. But the Sun of chastity and of righteousness having arisen, there is no need of other light.




    Sol Castitatis et Iustitiae





    St. Gregory the Great

    Pastoral Rule (Book III)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/36013.htm


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    The sluggard ploughs not by reason of the cold, when he is afraid of small evils that are against him, and leaves undone things of the greatest importance. Further it is well said, He shall beg in summer, and it shall not be given unto him. For whoever toils not now in good works will beg in summer and receive nothing, because, when the burning sun of judgment shall appear, he will then sue in vain for entrance into the kingdom.


    Ardenti Sol Iudicii






    St. Augustine

    Exposition on Psalm 58    (Psalm 57)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1801058.htm



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    13. There has fallen upon them fire, and they have not seen the sun. You see in what manner he speaks of a certain punishment of darkening. Fire has fallen upon them, fire of pride, a smoky fire, fire of lust, fire of wrath. How great a fire is it? He upon whom it shall have fallen, shall not see the sun. Therefore has it been said, Let not the sun go down upon your wrath. Ephesians 4:26

    Therefore, brethren, fire of evil lust fear ye, if you will not melt like wax, and to perish from the face of God. For there falls upon you that fire, and the sun you shall not see.

    What sun? Not that which together with you see both beasts and insects, and good men and evil men: because He makes His sun to rise upon good men and evil men. Matthew 5:45

    But there is another sun, whereof those men are to speak, And the sun has not risen to us, passed away are all those things as it were a shadow.

    Therefore we have strayed from the way of truth, and the light of righteousness has not shone to us, and the sun has not risen to us. Wisdom 5:6 ...





    St. Augustine:  But there is another sun, whereof those men are to speak





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    Psalm 57:9  Like wax that melteth they shall be taken away: fire hath fallen on them, and they shall not see the sun.

    Wisdom 5:6  Therefore we have erred from the way of truth, and the light of justice hath not shined unto us, and the sun of understanding hath not risen upon us.




    Sol Intelligentiae


    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #107 on: October 31, 2023, 12:07:25 AM »
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  • St. Augustine

    Exposition on Psalm 40

    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1801040.htm





    Sol Gloriae





    St. Clement of Alexandria

    Exhortation to the Heathen (Chapter 9)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/020809.htm




    Sol Resurrectionis




    Hilary of Poitiers

    On the Trinity (Book II)



    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/330202.htm






    Sol animarum nostrarum







    Methodius

    Banquet of the Ten Virgins (Discourse 6)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/062306.htm






    Sol Castitatis et Iustitiae





    St. Gregory the Great

    Pastoral Rule (Book III)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/36013.htm



    Ardenti Sol Iudicii






    St. Augustine

    Exposition on Psalm 58    (Psalm 57)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1801058.htm







    St. Augustine:  But there is another sun, whereof those men are to speak








    Sol Intelligentiae




    Thanks, Trad123.

    I don't know how long you have followed this topic,

    but what people have been requesting for 10 months now

    is a quote referring to


    Sol Invictus.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #108 on: October 31, 2023, 12:10:13 AM »
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  • Thanks, Trad123.

    I don't know how long you have followed this topic,

    but what people have been requesting for 10 months now

    is a quote referring to Sol Invictus.


    The devil has no right to that title, having been defeated.

    Sol Invictus is a fitting title for our Lord.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #109 on: October 31, 2023, 12:14:46 AM »
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  • The devil has no right to that title, having been defeated.

    Sol Invictus is a fitting title for our Lord.


    Yes, the devil has been defeated,


    but he is prideful and continues to see himself as unconquered

    and he convinces his followers that he is unconquered

    and that they are unconquered

    by justice.


    If Sol Invictus is a fitting title for


    Our Lord, Jesus Christ, Second Person of the Holy Trinity


    then there should be at least one


    record of saints or approved prayers

    by the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

    which invokes Him under that title.



    No, on the contrary,



    there are numerous examples of Freemason Lodges


    and Wiccans


    and Satanic Temples


    and Luciferians


    who invoke that title as their god.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #110 on: October 31, 2023, 12:35:06 AM »
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  • If Sol Invictus is a fitting title for Our Lord, Jesus Christ, Second Person of the Holy Trinity then there should be at least one record of saints or approved prayers by the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church which invokes Him under that title.


    Is anyone here arguing for the use of these titles in the use of public litanies, or the like?

    There is no scandal in Vigano's use of the title in a speech.

    Adding to that, I have no doubt it is lawful to come up with litanies for private use.



    Sol Gloriae, grant us a crown of glory in Heaven.
    Sol Resurrectionis, grant us incorruptibility.
    Sol Intelligentiae, grant us wisdom.
    Sol Castitatis et Iustitiae, grant us purity of heart, so that we may see the face of God.

    Sol animarum nostrarum, have mercy on us!
    Ardenti Sol Iudicii, spare us o Lord!

    Sol Invictus, grant us the grace of final perseverance!



    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #111 on: October 31, 2023, 12:48:28 AM »
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  • I have no doubt it is lawful to come up with litanies for private use.


    Sol Invictus, grant us the grace of final perseverance!


    Well, you have free will and can create your own innovations


    but the Church has never approved that title or that prayer.


    There are many, many beautiful titles for Our Lord Jesus Christ

    but sure,  pick one you like better.



    Just keep in mind that  members of the Satanic Church may get the idea that you are

    joining them in prayer:





    from the Satanic Temple Ireland:





















    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #112 on: October 31, 2023, 02:17:25 AM »
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  • Did St Clement actually call Jesus the Sol Invictus or just say He drove His chariot across the sky?

    In any case, here is the ONE depiction that can be found.

    It has the 7 Fold Rays emanating from it.

    Michael Flynn refers to those 7 Fold Rays in his prayer to Lucifer I posted.





    St. Clement of Alexandria

    Exhortation to the Heathen (Chapter 11)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/020811.htm



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    For the Sun of Righteousness, who drives His chariot over all, pervades equally all humanity, like His Father, who makes His sun to rise on all men, and distils on them the dew of the truth. He has changed sunset into sunrise, and through the cross brought death to life; and having wrenched man from destruction, He has raised him to the skies, transplanting mortality into immortality, and translating earth to heaven [ . . .]





    The Mystical City of God, Volume 1

    Venerable Mary of Agreda



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    Chapter XIIIOF THE SEVEN GIFTS OF THE HOLY GHOST AND HOW THE MOST HOLY MARY MADE USE OF THEM.


    Isaias says the Holy Ghost rested upon Christ our Lord (Is. 11, 2), enumerating seven graces, which commonly are called gifts of the Holy Ghost, namely: the spirit of wisdom and intellect, the spirit of counsel and fortitude, the spirit of science and piety, and the fear of God. These gifts were in the most holy soul of Christ, overflowing from the Divinity to which it was hypostatically united, just as the water is in the fountain, flowing from it and communicating itself to other places.





    Isaiah 11: 1-3

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    1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the root of Jesse, and a flower shall rise up out of his root.  2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him: the spirit of wisdom, and of understanding, the spirit of counsel, and of fortitude, the spirit of knowledge, and of godliness.  3 And he shall be filled with the spirit of the fear of the Lord.





    The Mystical City of God, Volume II

    Venerable Mary of Agreda


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    Chapter II

    SAINT JOHN THE EVANGELIST, IN CHAPTER THE TWENTY· FIRST OF THE APOCALYPSE, GIVES A LITERAL DESCRIPTION OF HIS VISION OF THE MOST HOLY MARY OUR LADY AS SHE DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN.

    10. It befitted the exalted dignity of saint John as being appointed the son of most holy Mary by Jesus on the Cross, that he should be the secretary of the ineffable sacraments and mysteries of the great Queen, which were kept concealed from other persons. For this reason many of her mysteries were revealed to him before her excursion into heaven, and he was made an eye-witness of the hidden mysteries on the day of the Ascension, when this sacred Eagle saw the divine Sun, Christ, ascend in seven-fold light, as Isaias said, and with it, the moon Mary shining as the sun, on account of her likeness to Christ.


    Sol Divinus




    Isaiah 30:26


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    26 And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days: in the day when the Lord shall bind up the wound of his people, and shall heal the stroke of their wound.




    St. Thomas Aquinas

    Catena Aurea on Luke

    Chapter 21, Lecture 6


    https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~CaLuke.C21.L6.18


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    AMBROSE

    While many also fall away from religion, clear faith will be obscured by the cloud of unbelief, for to me that Sun of righteousness is either diminished or increased according to my faith; and as the moon in its monthly wanings, or when it is opposite the sun by the interposition of the earth, suffers eclipse, so also the holy Church when the sins of the flesh oppose the heavenly light, cannot borrow the brightness of divine light from Christ’s rays. For in persecutions, the love of this world generally shuts out the light of the divine Sun; the stars also fall, that is, men who shine in glory fall when the bitterness of persecution waxes sharp and prevails. And this must be until the multitude of the Church be gathered in, for thus are the good tried and the weak made manifest.


    Sol Divinus






    St. Ambrose

    On the Death of Satyrus (Book II)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34032.htm


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    116. And so although all are raised again in a moment, yet all are raised in the order of their merits. And therefore they rise first, who yielding early to the impulses of devotion, and as it were going forth before the rising dawn of faith, received the rays of the eternal Sun.


    Sol Aeternus





    The Fathers of the Church: A New Translation 

    Saint Ambrose:  Letters 

    68. To Clementainus*

    *An undated letter, attributed to Irenaeus in the manuscripts, although its contents connect it with the following letter to Clementianus.



    Pages 407-8


    https://archive.org/details/saintambroselett0000unse/page/406/mode/2up



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    The Jєωιѕн people are forbidden to carry wood, that is, such things as are consumed by fire. One who keeps out of the sun has shade. The Sun of Justice does not allow the shade to hinder you; pouring forth the full light of His grace He says to you: ‘Go thy way, and from now on sin no more.’10 The imitator of that everlasting Sun says: ‘But if anyone builds upon this foundation, gold, silver, and precious stones, wood, hay, straw — the work of each will be made manifest, for the day of the Lord will declare it, since the day is to be revealed in fire. The fire will assay the quality of everyone’s work.’* 11 And so let us build upon Christ (for Christ is our foundation) that which is not burned but improved. Gold is improved by fire, so is silver improved.


    Sol Aeternus






    A Manual of Catholic Theology: Based on Dogmatik (Complete in Two Volumes)

    Matthias Joseph Scheeben

    Book II. God

    Chapter V. Divine Life



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    § 79.—The Divine Knowledge in general.


    [ . . . ]


    II. God is His knowledge: in Him there is no real distinction between the faculty and the act of knowing, nor between these two and their object. Even when His knowledge extends to things outside Him, the adequate reason for such extension of the Divine knowledge is in God Himself; nothing external affects, moves, determines or influences it in any way.

    This is of faith, because it is evidently contained in the simplicity and independence of God, and because it is formally expressed in the propositions:

    God is Wisdom, God is Light. As God is the Light of all other spirits ("the light which enlighteneth every man," John i.), so also is He Himself the sun, in the light of which He sees all things (Ecclus. xlii. 16).

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #113 on: October 31, 2023, 02:55:57 AM »
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    De solstitiis et aequinoctiis

    4th century


    On the Solstices and the Equinoxes:  of the conception and nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ and of John the Baptist


    https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/De-Solstitiis-et-Aequinoctiis-Image-2022.pdf




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    But the Lord was born on 25th December in the winter. This is when the ripe olives are pressed to produce ointment or crisma; this is the season when <the field is sown with various seeds,> and when bleating lambs are born; this is when the vines are pruned with sickles so that they produce the sweet juice which made the <holy apostles> drunk. I am the vine and my Father is the gardener. Every branch which does not bear fruit will be cut off and thrown in the fire.80


    [The pagans] also call it ‘Birthday of the Invictus’.81

    But who is Invictus if not our Lord, who suffered death and then conquered it?

    Or when they call it ‘Birthday of the Sun’ – well, Christ is the sun of righteousness that the prophet Malachi spoke of:

    The sun of righteousness shall arise for all you who fear his name; salvation is in his wings.82




    80 Jn. 15:1-2.

     81  The Chronography of 354, in the calendar labels 25th December “Natalis Invicti”, and specifies that chariot races are held, as for other holidays.  This is usually assumed to indicate a festival of the Late Roman state sun god, Sol Invictus.

    82  Mal. 4:2.






    The Mystical City of God:  Volume 2

    Venerable Mary of Agreda


    Chapter IX: THE JOURNEY OF MOST HOLY MARY FROM NAZARETH TO BETHLEHEM IN THE COMPANY OF THE HOLY SPOUSE JOSEPH AND OF THE HOLY GUARDIAN ANGELS.




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    462. Thus variously and wonderfully assisted, our travelers arrived at the town of Bethlehem at four o’clock of the fifth day, a Saturday. As it was at the time of the winter solstice, the sun was already sinking and the night was falling. They entered the town, and wandered through many streets in search of a lodging-house or inn for staying over night. They knocked at the doors of their acquaintances and nearer family relations; but they were admitted nowhere and in many places they met with harsh words and insults.


    Ibid.

    Chapter X: CHRIST OUR SAVIOR IS BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY IN BETHLEHEM, JUDA.


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    468. The palace which the supreme King of kings and the Lord of lords had chosen for entertaining his eternal and incarnate Son in this world was a most poor and insignificant hut or cave, to which most holy Mary and Joseph betook themselves after they had been denied all hospitality and the most ordinary kindness by their fellow-men, as I have described in the foregoing chapter. This place was held in such contempt that though the town of Bethlehem was full of strangers in want of night shelter, none would demean or degrade himself so far as to make use of it for a lodging; for there was none who deemed it suitable or desirable for such a purpose, except the Teachers of humility and poverty, Christ our Savior and his purest Mother. On this account the wisdom of the eternal Father had reserved it for Them, consecrating it in all its bareness, loneliness and poverty as the first temple of light (Malachy 4, 2, Ps. Ill, 4) and as the house of the true Sun of justice, which was to arise for the upright of heart from the resplendent Aurora Mary, turning the night of sin into the daylight of grace.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #114 on: October 31, 2023, 05:17:17 AM »
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  • And by "God", Flynn means Lucifer:

    Here he leads the unsuspecting crowd in a prayer to Lucifer!!!


    2min 20sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/v1m94hzC06L2/


    Also, the antivaxx doctors who attend these rallies who pretend to be Christian have been exposed as Luciferian New Agers with ties to the UN.


    Here is a quote from Trump's hero, Albert Pike about what they really mean when they say "god":



    Of all the statues that were toppled during Trump's term he only requested Congress replace one:

    Albert Pike



    So yes, in consideration of all of this, I have to question why Vigano on two occasions referred to

    Our Lord Jesus Christ

    as the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun)

    which is the term used by Freemasons, Wiccans, and other Luciferians for Lucifer!



    Luciferians celebrate the Sol Invictus Day:



    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.

    Wishing Lucifer/Sol Invictus a happy Birthday on this ... - Reddit
    Dec 21, 2021 — The world has been covered in darkness but starting today, we will see the return of Sol Invictus, Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, ...
    How to celebrate Sol Invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
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    Here is a photo of a lodge named Sol Invictus:





    Grand Lodge of Royal Art Study

    @mlsarGrandLodge

    Grand Lodge: the bilingual lodge Sol Invictus, No 13 has two new members.
    #Freemasons #FɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყToday #FreemasonFriday #Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ #freemasons #freemason #masoniclodges #masonic #masons #scottishrite #francmasoneria #masoneria







    https://twitter.com/mlsargrandlodge/status/1057191457868693506



    So why on earth would Vigano want to use a phrase with such associations???


    And no it is not slander to ask these questions.  It is our duty:





    Pope Pius VI, Bull “Auctorem fidei," August 28, 1794: “[The Ancient Doctors] knew the capacity of innovators in the art of deception.  In order not to shock the ears of Catholics, they sought to hide the subtleties… by the use of seemingly innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the most gentle manner. Once the truth had been compromised, they could, by means of slight changes or additions in phraseology, distort the confession of the faith which is necessary for our salvation, and lead the faithful by subtle errors to their eternal damnation.”

    Pope Pius VI points out that camouflaging the heresies in statements that are ambiguous or seemingly conservative or contradictory was the tactic of the heretic Nestorius, and that Catholics cannot allow heretics to get away with this or deceive them by it.  They must hold such heretics to their heresies regardless:

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    Heretics have always used ambiguity and deception to insinuate their heresies and make them seem not quite as bad.  In fact, the more deceptive the heretic is usually equates to how successful he is for the Devil.  The heretic Arius effectively spread his denial of the Divinity of Christ because he impressed people with his appearance of ascetism and devotion.

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    Pope Pius VI concludes his point by giving Catholics instructions on how to deal with such deception or ambiguity among the writings of heretics:

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    Pope Pius VI teaches us that if someone veils a heresy in ambiguity, a Catholic must hold him to the heretical meaning and denounce the heretical meaning which is camouflaged in ambiguity.  But this is only common sense: if a man says that he is against abortion, but repeatedly votes in favor of it, he is a supporter of abortion and a heretic.  The fact that he sometimes claims to hold Church teaching against abortion means nothing.

    https:// vatican  catholic.com  /anti-pope-benedict-xvi/





    Miser, can you give the reference for the two occasions when Vigano mentioned Sol Invictus? Yes, I do have a problem with that term being use for Our Lord since no one seems to have a reference for that name being used in the past.

    I completely understand that the Sun has been used to represent Our Lord, but you are making a compelling case.

    Just so I don’t get unjustly attacked by certain members of this forum, I want to make it clear that I’m still giving Vigano the benefit of the doubt at this point.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #115 on: October 31, 2023, 07:15:37 AM »
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  • If we read further, it appears that he was brought to Rome on suspect of heresy:

    Especially known for his devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus, which was previously associated with John of Vercelli and the Dominican order, Bernardino devised a symbol—IHS—the first three letters of the name of Jesus in Greek, in Gothic letters on a blazing sun. This was to displace the insignia of factions (for example, Guelphs and Ghibellines). The devotion spread, and the symbol began to appear in churches, homes and public buildings. Opponents thought it a dangerous innovation.  In 1426, Bernardino was summoned to Rome to stand trial on charges of heresy himself for his promotion of this devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus.

    He was acquitted, but it certainly should be noted that this was not something the Church poo-pooed.
    Just quoting this earlier post of mine (the first one on the topic of St Bernandino) to show that Pax Vobis is wrong when he states that I don't admit that he was innocent and that I "slander" him. 

    In addition, it also explains, AGAIN, that my point in bringing his trial for heresy up was to show that the Church didn't poo poo the original allegations (unlike how some here outright poo poo any allegations/criticisms about Vigano). 

    In a later post, PV made it clear that he thought the Church was wrong to poo poo them because the allegations were bogus (see post #93 "But you already know the outcome was innocent.  So, in hindsight, the Church SHOULD HAVE poo poo'ed the charges.  Because they were bogus."). He apparently knows better than the Church.

    I trust that the Church proceeded as it should have, and I trust that the Saint was rightly found innocent by the Church.  PV criticizes the Church here, but others here can't criticize Vigano.  The hypocrisy is more than glaring.

    This post should make my position on St Bernardino clear.  It also should make it clear why I brought up his trial in the first place.


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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #116 on: October 31, 2023, 07:19:25 AM »
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  • Miser, can you give the reference for the two occasions when Vigano mentioned Sol Invictus? Yes, I do have a problem with that term being use for Our Lord since no one seems to have a reference for that name being used in the past.

    I completely understand that the Sun has been used to represent Our Lord, but you are making a compelling case.

    Just so I don’t get unjustly attacked by certain members of this forum, I want to make it clear that I’m still giving Vigano the benefit of the doubt at this point.
    Well, it's worth a shot.  It still may not help. 

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #117 on: October 31, 2023, 07:38:49 AM »
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    But the Lord was born on 25th December in the winter. This is when the ripe olives are pressed to produce ointment or crisma; this is the season when <the field is sown with various seeds,> and when bleating lambs are born; this is when the vines are pruned with sickles so that they produce the sweet juice which made the <holy apostles> drunk. I am the vine and my Father is the gardener. Every branch which does not bear fruit will be cut off and thrown in the fire.80


    [The pagans] also call it ‘Birthday of the Invictus’.81

    But who is Invictus if not our Lord, who suffered death and then conquered it?

    Or when they call it ‘Birthday of the Sun’ – well, Christ is the sun of righteousness that the prophet Malachi spoke of:

    The sun of righteousness shall arise for all you who fear his name; salvation is in his wings.82
    Why did you capitalize "Invictus"?  The original in the link does not capitalize it.  The quote is showing that Our Lord is unconquered, but it is not saying that he is to be called "Sol Invictus".

    Besides, according to the link, the author is "anonymous", so it holds no weight.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #118 on: October 31, 2023, 08:58:29 AM »
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    Just quoting this earlier post of mine (the first one on the topic of St Bernandino) to show that Pax Vobis is wrong when he states that I don't admit that he was innocent and that I "slander" him. 

    In addition, it also explains, AGAIN, that my point in bringing his trial for heresy up was to show that the Church didn't poo poo the original allegations (unlike how some here outright poo poo any allegations/criticisms about Vigano). 

    In a later post, PV made it clear that he thought the Church was wrong to poo poo them because the allegations were bogus (see post #93 "But you already know the outcome was innocent.  So, in hindsight, the Church SHOULD HAVE poo poo'ed the charges.  Because they were bogus."). He apparently knows better than the Church.

    I trust that the Church proceeded as it should have, and I trust that the Saint was rightly found innocent by the Church.  PV criticizes the Church here, but others here can't criticize Vigano.  The hypocrisy is more than glaring.

    This post should make my position on St Bernardino clear.  It also should make it clear why I brought up his trial in the first place.
    The Church was correct to investigate because the facts were unknown (at the time).  But we already have the Church's findings, which prove innocence, so it is slanderous and sinful to bring up the FALSE accusations (which the Church determined were false), after the fact.


    Just like it is wrong to bring up a murder charge for someone who was later declared innocent. 

    I'm not criticizing the Church, I'm criticizing YOU, because you don't understand basic charity, nor the difference between "charges" and "guilt".

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #119 on: October 31, 2023, 09:04:36 AM »
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  • Just like it is wrong to bring up a murder charge for someone who was later declared innocent. 
    What about OJ?