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Offline Romulus

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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2021, 10:28:00 AM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 01, 2021, 10:34:55 AM
He is EIGHTY, Lad.  He's been at the very epicenter of this incomparable ecclesiastical mess for over FIFTY years!!  Wanting a grown-ass man who darn well ought to be a well-trained cleric to be an actual shepherd and just call a damn spade a spade is NOT asking too much.

Watch your profanity...
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Offline bodeens

Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2021, 10:51:42 AM »
Quote from: Meg on August 05, 2021, 06:33:09 AM
Actually, Sedes are like the Jєωιѕн revolutionaries, because Sedes want to take over and make everyone believe as they do. They don't want any trad to not think like them; hence, they have been allowed to take over this forum. Sedeism and Modernism are just two sides of the same coin. Some will say that Modernism is worse, but I don't agree. Tradition is doomed, unless trads focus on what is important. Maybe there's a reason why God has allowed the Modernists to take over the church, and for the Sedes to take over Tradition. The Sedes will guarantee that Tradition will never return to the conciliar church.
It boils down to this every time: R&R needs dogmatic Sedevacantism as a strawman. Thankfully Meg acknowledges in her last couple of sentences what Sedes always say, that either you accept NOM or Sedevacante. Perhaps all RnRs here should read her post here. I'm glad she finally sees the issue as I do.
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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2021, 11:16:16 AM »
Quote from: bodeens on August 05, 2021, 10:51:42 AM
It boils down to this every time: R&R needs dogmatic Sedevacantism as a strawman. Thankfully Meg acknowledges in her last couple of sentences what Sedes always say, that either you accept NOM or Sedevacante. Perhaps all RnRs here should read her post here. I'm glad she finally sees the issue as I do.
It's worth me making a distinction that her language and phrasing of these issues is incorrect but that her basic idea of the dualistic situation between the counterfeit VII sect and Tradition is correct and that RnR should examine this position more carefully. I wholeheartedly agree with her prescription that "Tradition will never return to the conciliar church". Excellent phrasing Meg, I couldn't agree more.

Quote from: Meg on August 05, 2021, 09:49:07 AM
What does holiness of life and virtue mean to sedevacantists? Do they believe that the highest virtue is to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant? It seems so. Can they get to Heaven upon this one supposed all-consuming virtue of theirs?
Discussion of membership in the Church goes in the Feeneyism Ghetto ;)
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Offline Meg

Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #78 on: August 05, 2021, 11:25:12 AM »
Quote from: bodeens on August 05, 2021, 11:16:16 AM
It's worth me making a distinction that her language and phrasing of these issues is incorrect but that her basic idea of the dualistic situation between the counterfeit VII sect and Tradition is correct and that RnR should examine this position more carefully. I wholeheartedly agree with her prescription that "Tradition will never return to the conciliar church". Excellent phrasing Meg, I couldn't agree more.
Discussion of membership in the Church goes in the Feeneyism Ghetto ;)

Do you believe that it's an essential virtue to proclaim that the See in Rome is vacant?
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Offline bodeens

Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #79 on: August 05, 2021, 11:27:18 AM »
Quote from: Meg on August 05, 2021, 11:25:12 AM
Do you believe that it's an essential virtue to proclaim that the See in Rome is vacant?
I can't tell if you're joking but no, I'm not a dogmatic Sedevacantist. So now that you've said that Tradition has left the conciliar church permanently are you coming home or what?
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