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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2021, 09:53:51 AM »

What does holiness of life and virtue mean to sedevacantists? Do they believe that the highest virtue is to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant? It seems so. Can they get to Heaven upon this one supposed all-consuming virtue of theirs?
A subjective judgment on the souls of others. You are judging SVists and presuming we are wicked based upon your own hatred of us. You can't possibly know the spiritual lives or devotion of others, so knock it off before you sin.

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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2021, 09:57:38 AM »
A subjective judgment on the souls of others. You are judging SVists and presuming we are wicked based upon your own hatred of us. You can't possibly know the spiritual lives or devotion of others, so knock it off before you sin.

What does a life of holiness and virtue mean to you? What does virtue mean, in a Catholic sense? What does holiness of life mean, in a Catholic sense, to you?


Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2021, 10:05:30 AM »
What does a life of holiness and virtue mean to you? What does virtue mean, in a Catholic sense? What does holiness of life mean, in a Catholic sense, to you?
Conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything we can to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church.

There is nothing in that about presuming the state of the souls of others. You can state either what is objective, which means providing proof that all SVists are wicked, or you need to keep your peace and practice charity. I get that there is a Crisis and that there are varying opinions on how to deal with it, but that doesn't mean we act uncharitably and out of presumption and judgment of our brothers. Both SVists and R&R could learn from that.

"Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven." Luke 6:37

"Do you not judge within yourselves, and are become judges of unjust thoughts?" James 2:4

"Let us not therefore judge one another any more. But judge this rather, that you put not a stumblingblock or a scandal in your brother's way." Romans 14:13

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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2021, 10:10:09 AM »
Conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything we can to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church.

There is nothing in that about presuming the state of the souls of others. You can state either what is objective, which means providing proof that all SVists are wicked, or you need to keep your peace and practice charity. I get that there is a Crisis and that there are varying opinions on how to deal with it, but that doesn't mean we act uncharitably and out of presumption and judgment of our brothers. Both SVists and R&R could learn from that.

"Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven." Luke 6:37

"Do you not judge within yourselves, and are become judges of unjust thoughts?" James 2:4

"Let us not therefore judge one another any more. But judge this rather, that you put not a stumblingblock or a scandal in your brother's way." Romans 14:13

I agree that conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church is important. But we must also love God with all of heart, mind, soul and strength, and we are to love our enemies and pray for them. You didn't mention love at all.

I will keep posting about the problem of the sedevacantists. That's not going to stop. 

Another question: Do you believe that it's an essential virtue to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant?

Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2021, 10:15:44 AM »
I agree that conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church is important. But we must also love God with all of heart, mind, soul and strength, and we are to love our enemies and pray for them. You didn't mention love at all.

I will keep posting about the problem of the sedevacantists. That's not going to stop.

Another question: Do you believe that it's an essential virtue to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant?
I'm done with this. God love you.