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Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2021, 02:50:23 PM »
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  • Jєωιѕн organizations by their nature are in open rêbêllïon against God, simple as.
    Very true. So that means they know the true Church consists in our movement.  They were able at V2 and beyond to corrupt the NO institution and probably are ticked that they cannot succeed with us.
    I will say that Jєωs seem to tolerate prots bc they support Israel...but they know that only the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Christ. That's why they reserve their true venom for us.
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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #61 on: August 02, 2021, 05:17:19 PM »
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  • Very true. So that means they know the true Church consists in our movement.  They were able at V2 and beyond to corrupt the NO institution and probably are ticked that they cannot succeed with us.
    I will say that Jєωs seem to tolerate prots bc they support Israel...but they know that only the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Christ. That's why they reserve their true venom for us.
    The thing is everyone knows the score. We know, the globalists etc know that God is real and this is the true faith (buildings patterned after Babel, them pushing magicians and pagan rituals, Freemasons infiltrating etc). The only people who don't understand are caught in between, having a naturalistic explanation for the situation at hand or not discerning this as a battle between good and evil. Some acquaintances not in the faith I have are very confused and I tell them that the second you accept this framing everything makes perfect sense, there's no way to understand anything without God.
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #62 on: August 02, 2021, 06:18:10 PM »
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  • The thing is everyone knows the score. We know, the ɠƖobaƖısts etc know that God is real and this is the true faith (buildings patterned after Babel, them pushing magicians and pagan rituals, Freemasons infiltrating etc). The only people who don't understand are caught in between, having a naturalistic explanation for the situation at hand or not discerning this as a battle between good and evil. Some acquaintances not in the faith I have are very confused and I tell them that the second you accept this framing everything makes perfect sense, there's no way to understand anything without God.
    YES YES YES

    Even the Satanists know that the Catholic Church is the true Church, hence why their main rite profanes the Latin Mass not the Novus Ordo Missae and they utilize consecrated Hosts because they, at least in the upper echelons, are aware that Catholicism is true.

    This has nothing to do with the worldly powers that be, and everything to do with the spiritual forces. Every single one of these groups, be it Illuminati, Freemasons, or Jєωs, are all pawns to the real power which is Satan himself. And he will toss them away as soon as they have played their role. Just as these same groups throw away global leaders and men of influence as soon as their purpose has been served. Every conspiracy theory I followed before I was Catholic was contextualized and expanded as soon as I became a Catholic.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #63 on: August 05, 2021, 06:33:09 AM »
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  • Jєωιѕн organizations by their nature are in open rêbêllïon against God, simple as.

    Actually, Sedes are like the Jєωιѕн revolutionaries, because Sedes want to take over and make everyone believe as they do. They don't want any trad to not think like them; hence, they have been allowed to take over this forum. Sedeism and Modernism are just two sides of the same coin. Some will say that Modernism is worse, but I don't agree. Tradition is doomed, unless trads focus on what is important. Maybe there's a reason why God has allowed the Modernists to take over the church, and for the Sedes to take over Tradition. The Sedes will guarantee that Tradition will never return to the conciliar church. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #64 on: August 05, 2021, 07:54:58 AM »
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    Actually, Sedes are like the Jєωιѕн revolutionaries
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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #65 on: August 05, 2021, 08:12:10 AM »
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  • Actually, Sedes are like the Jєωιѕн revolutionaries, because Sedes want to take over and make everyone believe as they do. They don't want any trad to not think like them; hence, they have been allowed to take over this forum. Sedeism and Modernism are just two sides of the same coin. Some will say that Modernism is worse, but I don't agree. Tradition is doomed, unless trads focus on what is important. Maybe there's a reason why God has allowed the Modernists to take over the church, and for the Sedes to take over Tradition. The Sedes will guarantee that Tradition will never return to the conciliar church.
    I didn't know I was Jєωιѕн, that's news to me.

    Maybe its because we simply think its wrong to proclaim a man as Pope but only pay lip-service to him, contrary to how literally every Catholic behaved toward the Pope up until the 1970s.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #66 on: August 05, 2021, 08:30:43 AM »
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  • Actually, Sedes are like the Jєωιѕн revolutionaries, because Sedes want to take over and make everyone believe as they do. They don't want any trad to not think like them; hence, they have been allowed to take over this forum. Sedeism and Modernism are just two sides of the same coin. Some will say that Modernism is worse, but I don't agree. Tradition is doomed, unless trads focus on what is important. Maybe there's a reason why God has allowed the Modernists to take over the church, and for the Sedes to take over Tradition. The Sedes will guarantee that Tradition will never return to the conciliar church.

    Absolutely ridiculous.  Yes, there are dogmatic sedevacantists, but you are about as dogmatic an R&R as they come, and this is a classic case of pot and kettle.

    As for sedevacantism being Modernism, actually sedevacantism holds the same principles or the same Major as the conservative Novus Ordites, that the Church cannot become as corrupt as R&R say it has and that we are required to remain in submission to and communion with a legitimate hierarchy.  It is in fact R&R who line up more with Modernism, in that both hold that they can reject the Magisterium in favor of their own interpretations of Catholic doctrine.

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #67 on: August 05, 2021, 08:31:04 AM »
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  • Actually, Sedes are like the Jєωιѕн revolutionaries, because Sedes want to take over and make everyone believe as they do. They don't want any trad to not think like them; hence, they have been allowed to take over this forum. Sedeism and Modernism are just two sides of the same coin. Some will say that Modernism is worse, but I don't agree.

    You do realize that the Catholic Church's mission is to convert the entire world, right?  Every Catholic SHOULD want all to believe as the Church teaches, for without supernatural faith it is impossible to please God.  Where this crisis is concerned, there is and should be a great deal of latitude granted to those with differing views.  Oddly, you are the one manifesting notable disgust and intolerance of those whose view is different from your own.

    As for your characterization of SVs or equating SVism with Modernism, it does not line up with reality.  It is such a wild bunch of nonsense it is laughable.  

    Have fun doing whatever ornery, miserable women do with their days.  :cowboy:
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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #68 on: August 05, 2021, 08:55:56 AM »
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  • Actually, Sedes are like the Jєωιѕн revolutionaries, because Sedes want to take over and make everyone believe as they do. They don't want any trad to not think like them; hence, they have been allowed to take over this forum. Sedeism and Modernism are just two sides of the same coin. Some will say that Modernism is worse, but I don't agree. Tradition is doomed, unless trads focus on what is important. Maybe there's a reason why God has allowed the Modernists to take over the church, and for the Sedes to take over Tradition. The Sedes will guarantee that Tradition will never return to the conciliar church.

    Your comments are uncharitable, capricious, and sensationally malicious. If you truly think Sedevacantism is worse than modernism or that Sedevacantists are the reason that the Church is still in crisis then I think you are a person of unmistakable bad will.


    I suggest you take your advice and focus on what’s important by cultivating some humility, knowledge, and respect.

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #69 on: August 05, 2021, 09:49:07 AM »
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  • +Vigano says at the end of the video:

    "....But in order for that to be repaired, it is necessary that we should show ourself to be worthy of the treasures that have been stolen from us. Let us try to do this by our holiness of life, by giving example of the virtues, by prayer and frequent reception of the sacrament(s)."


    What does holiness of life and virtue mean to sedevacantists? Do they believe that the highest virtue is to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant? It seems so. Can they get to Heaven upon this one supposed all-consuming virtue of theirs? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #70 on: August 05, 2021, 09:53:51 AM »
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  • What does holiness of life and virtue mean to sedevacantists? Do they believe that the highest virtue is to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant? It seems so. Can they get to Heaven upon this one supposed all-consuming virtue of theirs?
    A subjective judgment on the souls of others. You are judging SVists and presuming we are wicked based upon your own hatred of us. You can't possibly know the spiritual lives or devotion of others, so knock it off before you sin.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #71 on: August 05, 2021, 09:57:38 AM »
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  • A subjective judgment on the souls of others. You are judging SVists and presuming we are wicked based upon your own hatred of us. You can't possibly know the spiritual lives or devotion of others, so knock it off before you sin.

    What does a life of holiness and virtue mean to you? What does virtue mean, in a Catholic sense? What does holiness of life mean, in a Catholic sense, to you?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #72 on: August 05, 2021, 10:05:30 AM »
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  • What does a life of holiness and virtue mean to you? What does virtue mean, in a Catholic sense? What does holiness of life mean, in a Catholic sense, to you?
    Conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything we can to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church.

    There is nothing in that about presuming the state of the souls of others. You can state either what is objective, which means providing proof that all SVists are wicked, or you need to keep your peace and practice charity. I get that there is a Crisis and that there are varying opinions on how to deal with it, but that doesn't mean we act uncharitably and out of presumption and judgment of our brothers. Both SVists and R&R could learn from that.

    "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven." Luke 6:37

    "Do you not judge within yourselves, and are become judges of unjust thoughts?" James 2:4

    "Let us not therefore judge one another any more. But judge this rather, that you put not a stumblingblock or a scandal in your brother's way." Romans 14:13
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #73 on: August 05, 2021, 10:10:09 AM »
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  • Conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything we can to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church.

    There is nothing in that about presuming the state of the souls of others. You can state either what is objective, which means providing proof that all SVists are wicked, or you need to keep your peace and practice charity. I get that there is a Crisis and that there are varying opinions on how to deal with it, but that doesn't mean we act uncharitably and out of presumption and judgment of our brothers. Both SVists and R&R could learn from that.

    "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven." Luke 6:37

    "Do you not judge within yourselves, and are become judges of unjust thoughts?" James 2:4

    "Let us not therefore judge one another any more. But judge this rather, that you put not a stumblingblock or a scandal in your brother's way." Romans 14:13

    I agree that conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church is important. But we must also love God with all of heart, mind, soul and strength, and we are to love our enemies and pray for them. You didn't mention love at all.

    I will keep posting about the problem of the sedevacantists. That's not going to stop. 

    Another question: Do you believe that it's an essential virtue to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Vigano Responds To Traditionis Custodes
    « Reply #74 on: August 05, 2021, 10:15:44 AM »
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  • I agree that conforming ourselves to the will of God and doing everything to emulate the life of Christ per the precepts of the Church is important. But we must also love God with all of heart, mind, soul and strength, and we are to love our enemies and pray for them. You didn't mention love at all.

    I will keep posting about the problem of the sedevacantists. That's not going to stop.

    Another question: Do you believe that it's an essential virtue to proclaim that the See of Rome is vacant?
    I'm done with this. God love you.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]