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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2023, 05:38:15 PM »
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  • This is from 3 months ago.

    It doesn't sound like opposition to Benedict to me:

    "After the resignation of Benedict XVI and the electoral fraud of the American presidential elections, two figures of the katèchon were missing, the former a spiritual authority and the latter a temporal authority which could oppose the advent of the Antichrist."

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    Maybe Vigano never read any of Benedict's books or saw his special mitres?


    This is from 2 months ago, and its a complete indictment of Ratzinger, stopping just short of declaring him a heretic:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-is-wrong-to-praise-the-diabolical-revolution-of-vatican-ii/

    I gather Vigano has a much more profound understanding of the writings of Ratzinger than you do.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #16 on: January 04, 2023, 05:51:16 PM »
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  • Too much has been made of that term katèchon.  All it means is that it was a final barrier or impediment preventing the floodgates from opening.  Period.  It does not mean that either Ratzinger was some great defender of the faith (akin to St. Pius X), as the Bennyvacantists would have it, nor that Trump is the reincarnation of a sainted Catholic King.

    It's more of an apocalyptic notion that there's a last barrier or impediment (even a passive one) holding back the deluge, where the floodgates opened with Bergoglio and Biden respectively, where after those two the evil was taken "to a new level".


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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #17 on: January 04, 2023, 06:07:04 PM »
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  • This is from 2 months ago, and its a complete indictment of Ratzinger, stopping just short of declaring him a heretic:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-is-wrong-to-praise-the-diabolical-revolution-of-vatican-ii/

    I gather Vigano has a much more profound understanding of the writings of Ratzinger than you do.

    I'm sure he does!  Yet he doesn't seem to be able to make up his mind. 

    Does he believe Benedict was the Katechon holding back the Antichrist

    or was he a heretic

    and therefore an antichrist?

    It's hard to tell.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #18 on: January 04, 2023, 06:14:08 PM »
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  • Too much has been made of that term katèchon.  All it means is that it was a final barrier or impediment preventing the floodgates from opening.  Period.  It does not mean that either Ratzinger was some great defender of the faith (akin to St. Pius X), as the Bennyvacantists would have it, nor that Trump is the reincarnation of a sainted Catholic King.

    It's more of an apocalyptic notion that there's a last barrier or impediment (even a passive one) holding back the deluge, where the floodgates opened with Bergoglio and Biden respectively, where after those two the evil was taken "to a new level".


    St John made it clear and simple:

    "This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son hath the Father also. "


    Benedict XVI denied Christ---not just a long time ago and now he is "traditional".  He denied Christ while acting as pope.


    It wasn't in an off the cuff statement on an airplane or a misquoted article by a reporter in a newspaper.

    It's in his own book he wrote and published while still the active pope:


    BENEDICT XVI PROMOTES THAT JєωS SHOULD NOT BE CONVERTED

    Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 45: “Hildegard Brem comments on this passage as follows: ‘In the light of Romans 11:25, the Church must not concern herself with the conversion of the Jєωs, since she must wait for the time fixed for this by God, ‘until the full number of the Gentiles come in’ (Rom 11:25).”

    Benedict XVI quotes approvingly from Hildegard Brem, who teaches that the Church should not convert Jєωs. Benedict XVI doesn’t contradict the teaching, but promotes it and agrees with it. This is complete and total apostasy. On the next page, he even expands upon the point. He declares that the Jєωs retain their own “mission.”

    Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 46: “Moreover, we have seen that the nucleus of Jesus’ eschatological message includes the proclamation of an age of the nations, during which the Gospel must be brought to the whole world and to all people: only then can history attain its goal.

    In the meantime, Israel retains its own mission. Israel is in the hands of God, who will save it ‘as a whole’ at the proper time, when the number of Gentiles is complete. The fact that that historical duration of this period cannot be calculated is self-evident and should not surprise us.”

    According to him, the Jєωs don’t need to be converted because they retain their own mission and are “in the hands of God.” Of course, this is a denial of Jesus Christ, the Gospel, the Catholic faith, and many dogmas. That’s also why we saw him encourage the Chief Rabbi of Rome in his “mission.”

    Benedict XVI, Address to Chief Rabbi of Rome, Jan. 16, 2006: “Distinguished Chief Rabbi, you were recently entrusted with the spiritual guidance of Rome’s Jєωιѕн Community; you have taken on this responsibility enriched by your experience as a scholar and a doctor who has shared in the joys and sufferings of a great many people. I offer you my heartfelt good wishes for your mission, and I assure you of my own and my collaborators’ cordial esteem and friendship.”



    What exactly is their mission which Benedict supports?


    Surely Vigano would have read Benedict's book he wrote while the active Pope wouldn't he?

    So the question for Vigano, as I stated in that thread back in October,

    is how can an antichrist

    hold back the Antichrist?


    Or more specifically, the Moshiach??

    When he is supporting the mission to usher in the Moshiach?


    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #19 on: January 04, 2023, 06:44:37 PM »
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  • Does anyone have at hand the quote from Ratzinger's Jesus of Nazareth wherein he denigrated Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament because of the immanence of God?

    For some reason I never archived that quote and I do not have (or want) his damned book.


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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #20 on: January 05, 2023, 12:03:07 AM »
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  • Does anyone have at hand the quote from Ratzinger's Jesus of Nazareth wherein he denigrated Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament because of the immanence of God?

    For some reason I never archived that quote and I do not have (or want) his damned book.
    This is one which really sticks in my mind. I’ve been wanting to find it too. 
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #21 on: January 05, 2023, 06:39:12 AM »
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  • Too much has been made of that term katèchon.  All it means is that it was a final barrier or impediment preventing the floodgates from opening.  Period.  It does not mean that either Ratzinger was some great defender of the faith (akin to St. Pius X), as the Bennyvacantists would have it, nor that Trump is the reincarnation of a sainted Catholic King.

    It's more of an apocalyptic notion that there's a last barrier or impediment (even a passive one) holding back the deluge, where the floodgates opened with Bergoglio and Biden respectively, where after those two the evil was taken "to a new level".

    Yes. The Church is the katechon. It, and its pontiffs, have been under assault by the spirit of Antichrist since it sprung from Our Lord's side on the Cross. Unfortunately - and this is where the discussion in the thread on Hoffman comes in - some of the popes even before the Conciliar revolution have let that spirit in through small cracks and fissures here and there, and now it is in its final flowering manifestation, only awaiting (?) the Antichrist himself. 

    An extensive quote from Cardinal Manning is worth reading:

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    3. But then, thirdly, it means something still more than this. For these two great powers, spiritual and temporal—the temporal power in the old heathen empire of Rome, and the spiritual power in the new supernatural kingdom of God—met together. They were coincident as it were in their circuмference throughout the world; but they met together in their centre, which was in the city of Rome. There they stood, at first face to face, in conflict, then side by side, in peace. There these two mighty powers—the one from earth, and the other from heaven, the one from the will of man, and the other from the will of God—met together as it were in the arena of contest, and for three hundred years the Empire of Rome martyred the pontiffs of the Church of God. For three hundred years the Roman Empire strove to extinguish this new and strange visitant, coming with a superior jurisdiction and with a wider circuit. It strove to destroy it, to quench it in its own blood; and for three hundred years it struggled in vain; for the more the Church was martyred, the more the seed of the martyrs was multiplied. The Church expanded and grew in vigour, in strength, and in power, in proportion as the heathen Empire of Rome strove to extinguish and to destroy it. And this mighty conflict between the two sovereignties at last ended in the conversion of the empire to Christianity, and, therefore, in the enthronement of the Church of God in a supremacy over the powers of the whole world. Then right had power and supremacy over might, and the Divine authority prevailed over the authority of man; then these two powers were blended and fused together: they became one great authority, the emperor ruling from his throne within the sphere of his earthly jurisdiction, and the Supreme Pontiff ruling likewise from a throne of higher sovereignty over the nations of the world, until God in His providence removed the empire from Rome, and planted it upon the shores of the Bosphorus. It departed into the East, and left Rome without a sovereign. Rome from that hour has never had, dwelling within its walls, a temporal sovereign in the presence of the Supreme Pontiff; and that temporal sovereignty devolved by a providential law upon the person of the Vicar of Jesus Christ. It is true, indeed, that in the three centuries between the conversion of Constantine and the period of St. Gregory the Great, in those three centuries of turbulence and disorder, invasion and warfare, by which Italy and Rome was afflicted, the temporal power of the Supreme Pontiff was only in its beginning; but about the seventh century it was firmly established, and that which the Divine Providence had prepared from the beginning received its full manifestation; and no sooner was the material power which once reigned in Rome consecrated and sanctified by the investiture of the Vicar of Jesus Christ with temporal sovereignty over the city where he dwelt, than he began to create throughout Europe the order of Christian civilisation, Christian empires, Christian monarchies, which, confederated together, have maintained the peace and order of the world from that hour to this. What we call Christendom, that is to say, the great family of Christian nations, Christian races organised and knit together with their princes and their legislatures, by international law, mutual contracts, treaties, diplomacy, and the like, which bind them together in one compact body,—what is this but the security of the world against disorder, turbulence, and lawlessness? And now for these twelve hundred years the peace, the perpetuity, and the fruitfulness of the Christian civilisation of Europe, has been owing solely in its principle to this consecration of the power and the authority of the great Empire of Rome, taken up of old, perpetuated, preserved, as I have said, by the salt which had been sprinkled from heaven and continued in the person of the Supreme Pontiff, and in that order of Christian civilisation of which he has been the creator.

    We have now come nearly to a solution of that which I stated in the beginning, namely, how it is that the power which hinders the revelation of the lawless one is not only a person but a system, and not only a system but a person. In one word, it is Christendom and its head; and, therefore, in the person of the Vicar of Jesus Christ, and in that twofold authority with which, by Divine Providence, he has been invested, we see the direct antagonist to the principle of disorder. The lawless one, who knows no law, human or divine, nor obeys any but his own will, has no antagonist on earth more direct than the Vicar of Jesus Christ, who bears at one and the same time the character of royalty and of priesthood, and represents the two principles of order in the temporal and in the spiritual state—the principle of monarchy, if you will, or of government, and the principle of the apostolic authority. We find, therefore, the three interpretations which I drew out from the Holy Fathers literally verified in this. In the slow course of time, as the work of the Apostles matured and ripened, what we call Christendom has arisen, fulfilling the predictions to the letter, manifesting that which the Apostle foretold would hinder the development of this principle of lawlessness, and the revelation of the person who should be its chief.

    What, then, is it that at this moment holds in check the manifestation of this antichristian power, and the person who shall wield it? It is the remnant of the Christian society which is still existing in the world. There can be but two societies, the one natural, the other supernatural.


    Manning, Archbishop Henry. The Present Crisis of the Holy See . Desert Will Flower iPress. Kindle Edition.


    Satan has been working on the papacy at the heart of the "temple of God" (2 Thess. 2:4) for a long, long time. 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #22 on: January 05, 2023, 07:22:10 AM »
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  • Does anyone have at hand the quote from Ratzinger's Jesus of Nazareth wherein he denigrated Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament because of the immanence of God?

    For some reason I never archived that quote and I do not have (or want) his damned book.
    I tried searching for it on NOW, but I came up empty.  You might try finding any free, online versions of the volumes.


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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #23 on: January 05, 2023, 09:14:08 PM »
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  • He smells Opus Dei everywhere, so much so that the scent is likely just inside his nostrils.

    Hey, I'm Opus Dei too!

    I knew a guy in college, and then another later in adult life, who tried to recruit me into Opus Dei, and while I was in college, I actually considered it.

    What do you know about Opus Dei?   :popcorn:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #25 on: January 06, 2023, 07:57:08 AM »
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  • What do you know about Opus Dei?  :popcorn:

    :laugh1: ... probably about what everyone else around here does, apart from some experts like yourself.