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Offline 2Vermont

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Vigano on Benedict's Death?
« on: January 03, 2023, 07:41:54 PM »
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    • Has Vigano written anything about Benedict's death?
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    Offline Nadir

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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #1 on: January 03, 2023, 08:51:24 PM »
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    • Actually, when I saw the title of your thread, 2V, I was looking forward to reading  it. Just now I read the ?. Oh, the importance of small detail!
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    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #2 on: January 03, 2023, 10:34:27 PM »
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    • :popcorn:


                  
                  
                  "The Seat is now really vacant!"

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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #3 on: January 04, 2023, 01:31:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 03, 2023, 10:34:27 PM
    :popcorn:

                  "The Seat is now really vacant!"

    More of your nonsense?

    I doubt it, unless he felt there were actual canonical grounds for it.

    Regardless, unlike the Bennyvacantists, +Vigano is under no illusion that the Church crisis began in 2013 with the election of Jorge, while Ratzinger was a “St. Pius X the New” (to paraphrase one Ambrose Moran, the self-styled Josaphat the New).

    +Vigano has consistently stated that the roots go back to V2 and the NOM, saying they must be completely thrown out and cannot be salvaged or reconciled with Tradition ... and has criticized most of the Conciliar papal claimants.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #4 on: January 04, 2023, 06:46:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2023, 01:31:26 AM
    More of your nonsense?

    I doubt it, unless he felt there were actual canonical grounds for it.

    Regardless, unlike the Bennyvacantists, +Vigano is under no illusion that the Church crisis began in 2013 with the election of Jorge, while Ratzinger was a “St. Pius X the New” (to paraphrase one Ambrose Moran, the self-styled Josaphat the New).

    +Vigano has consistently stated that the roots go back to V2 and the NOM, saying they must be completely thrown out and cannot be salvaged or reconciled with Tradition ... and has criticized most of the Conciliar papal claimants.
    I have often wondered whether he believed Benedict was pope when reading his writings.  More often than not, he would refer to Benedict as Benedict, but Francis as Bergoglio.  That is why I wonder what he will say.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #5 on: January 04, 2023, 09:21:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 04, 2023, 06:46:22 AM
    I have often wondered whether he believed Benedict was pope when reading his writings.  More often than not, he would refer to Benedict as Benedict, but Francis as Bergoglio.  That is why I wonder what he will say.

    He did muse at one point that it was possible that Benedict was still the pope, and that it should be investigated.  If I recall, he was more focused on the St. Gallen mafia situation than the resignation, which would disqualify Bergoglio but not make Ratzinger pope.

    I do think +Vigano has a special animosity against Bergoglio, but I don't believe he's the type that would let those emotions dictate his theological position, as seems to be the case with most Bennyvacantists.

    As I said, he's consistently traced the rot back to Vatican II and the NOM, and even if he concludes that Ratzinger was pope until he died, this wouldn't be for him a "solution" to the larger crisis.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #6 on: January 04, 2023, 12:13:03 PM »
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    • About a year ago, TIA’s Atila Guimaraes, noticing the severe nature of Msgr. Vigano’s Vatican critiques, thought his writings included a sede-vacantist tone.

    Atila then published an open letter to the Archbishop specifically asking him if he believed the Seat was empty?

    Interestingly, Atila never received a reply? 

    BTW, Mr Guimaraes spent a good portion of his life researching the docuмents of Vatican II and he is an avid student of the secret society known as Opus Dei.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #7 on: January 04, 2023, 12:40:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 04, 2023, 12:13:03 PM
    About a year ago, TIA’s Atila Guimaraes, noticing the severe nature of Msgr. Vigano’s Vatican critiques, thought his writings included a sede-vacantist tone.
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    Yeah, so did a lot of people. Vigano's writings seem to be a bit of a Rorschach test. Everyone seems to find whatever they want in them. :laugh1:
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #8 on: January 04, 2023, 12:42:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 04, 2023, 12:13:03 PM
    Interestingly, Atila never received a reply?

    Tell him to get in line.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #9 on: January 04, 2023, 01:23:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 04, 2023, 12:40:02 PM
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    Yeah, so did a lot of people. Vigano's writings seem to be a bit of a Rorschach test. Everyone seems to find whatever they want in them.

    Yes!

    Some see what they call the “truth”… some hear +ABL and for others, they smell Opus judei. 

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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #10 on: January 04, 2023, 01:32:58 PM »
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    • If I had to guess, we will hear from him after Ratzinger is buried.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #11 on: January 04, 2023, 01:36:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 04, 2023, 01:23:05 PM
    and for others, they smell Opus judei.

    Pretty sure you're unique in that regard, with the possible exception of Miser.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #12 on: January 04, 2023, 04:56:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 04, 2023, 12:13:03 PM
    About a year ago, TIA’s Atila Guimaraes, noticing the severe nature of Msgr. Vigano’s Vatican critiques, thought his writings included a sede-vacantist tone.

    Atila then published an open letter to the Archbishop specifically asking him if he believed the Seat was empty?

    Interestingly, Atila never received a reply?

    BTW, Mr Guimaraes spent a good portion of his life researching the docuмents of Vatican II and he is an avid student of the secret society known as Opus Dei.

    Oh, no doubt he has an SV tone.  He has never once referred to Bergoglio as anything other than Bergogolio, not Francis, much less Holy Father or Pope.  I think he might have said Benedict and John Paul II once or twice, I don't think he prefaced those with "Pope" either.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #13 on: January 04, 2023, 04:58:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 04, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
    Pretty sure you're unique in that regard, with the possible exception of Miser.

    He smells Opus Dei everywhere, so much so that the scent is likely just inside his nostrils.

    Hey, I'm Opus Dei too!

    I knew a guy in college, and then another later in adult life, who tried to recruit me into Opus Dei, and while I was in college, I actually considered it.
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    Re: Vigano on Benedict's Death?
    « Reply #14 on: January 04, 2023, 05:27:05 PM »
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    • This is from 3 months ago.

    It doesn't sound like opposition to Benedict to me:

    "After the resignation of Benedict XVI and the electoral fraud of the American presidential elections, two figures of the katèchon were missing, the former a spiritual authority and the latter a temporal authority which could oppose the advent of the Antichrist."


    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/msgr-vigano's-shotgun-blast/msg851235/#msg851235


    Maybe Vigano never read any of Benedict's books or saw his special mitres?

    Are we to believe he that is that uniformed about the astounding heresies of Benedict?





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