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Offline SeanJohnson

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+Vigano Implicates BXVI for Queer Secretary
« on: May 25, 2022, 05:09:10 PM »
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    Abp. Viganò: Nuncio in Germany sent information ‘that there were strong suspicions that Clemens was a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ’

    Johannes Heibel commented on Bishop Clemens’ answers to LifeSite as follows: “Well, basically, these are not answers to your questions at all. In arrogant, extremely arrogant, lecturing, typical clerical manner, he merely refers to rules and regulations and thus shows that he has learned nothing.”

    By ignoring “what the perpetrators and their accomplices have done to the victims,” he continued, Bishop Clemens “shows himself as a man involved in cover-up.” For Heibel, it is clear that Clemens “is not interested in any real investigation or clarification of the events at the monastery,” trying to avoid further damage to the “already battered reputation of the monastery.”

    “By not informing the public comprehensively, he seamlessly joins the ranks of the cover-ups,” Heibel concluded.

    LifeSite also reached out to an expert in child protection, presenting him with our findings. He commented: “Every sincere measure and every honest effort to investigate, address, and prevent abuse must be guided by the principle that concern for those affected by abuse is the priority.”

    In light of the damage that Bishop Clemens is adding to the situation in Klosterneuburg, it might be worthwhile questioning the Vatican’s decision to make him the Papal Delegate in Klosterneuburg.

    Clemens has a controversial personal history himself. After having been the personal secretary of then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger for nearly twenty years (1984-2003), he was elevated to the episcopacy. However, as Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò revealed to LifeSite, the Vatican’s usual investigation before the consecration of a priest brought forth serious allegations of his being an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

    As LifeSite learned from Archbishop Viganò, it was the nuncio of Germany, Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo, who told him in his official capacity that an investigation into Clemens’ personal life has shown that there were strong suspicions that he was a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. Viganò also told LifeSite that Ratzinger at the time was warned about Clemens’ ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and that he nevertheless consecrated him a bishop.

    By virtue of his work in the curia, Viganò was tasked with investigating Clemens when he was considered for the episcopate, as Viganò told LifeSite.
    “The nuncio in Germany,” he continued, “was Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo. The information he sent from Germany was that there were strong suspicions that Clemens was a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. Thus his advice was negative on making him a bishop.”

    At the time, Viganò worked as the delegate for Pontifical Representations. He told LifeSite: “My advice, as responsible for personnel in the curia, was also that Clemens should not be promoted (to bishop).” However, the Italian archbishop continued, “it was later reported to me that Ratzinger wanted Clemens to be promoted in spite of the information that was reported from Germany to me.”

    LifeSite learned from another reliable source that Ratzinger himself had turned to Cardinal Joachim Meisner, archbishop of Cologne, asking him whether he could take Clemens into his diocese.

    “I can confirm,” wrote LifeSite’s source who spoke on condition of anonymity, “that Cardinal Meisner told us that he refused the request of Ratzinger to welcome Clemens in Cologne and that he did so with the words: ‘no, because of homo [sɛҳuąƖity].’ He [Meisner] also wanted to offer Clemens a therapy which he declined.”

    Another source in Rome told LifeSite: “The fact that Josef Clemens was and is an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ is well known among us here in Rome.” Yet an additional contact in Rome was able to confirm with his own sources that Clemens is an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

    A Vatican expert who wished to remain anonymous spoke with LifeSite about Bishop Clemens and his mission to investigate sɛҳuąƖ abuse cases in Klosterneuburg. He spontaneously asked whether making Clemens the Papal Delegate of this abbey is not similar “to asking the fox to guard the hen house.” After all, he added, Clemens is “well known for his tendencies among German-speaking colleagues in Rome who at times make jokes about his earlier profession as a hairdresser.”

    Archbishop Viganò told LifeSite that “it was reported to me that there was quite a fight between Ganswein and Clemens,” when Ratzinger chose Georg Gänswein as his new secretary, in 2003.

    LifeSite reached out to Bishop Clemens, asking him to comment on the facts as laid out in this report, both directly relating to his own personal life as well as relating to the position of Church officials.

    Clemens said the claim that he is a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ “is an untruth” and later added, when questioned about the immorality of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts of a priest, “this is known to a moral theologian who wrote his doctoral thesis in moral theology.”

    When asked about Cardinal Lajolo and Archbishop Viganò and their statements, Clemens explained that he has no knowledge of it. Furthermore, he told LifeSite that he would not answer any further questions: “By giving you these clear and unambiguous answers, I consider this matter to be closed.”

    Media requests concerning Bishop Clemens to Pope emeritus Benedict XVI, the Vatican Press Office, as well as Cardinal Lajolo have remained unanswered. The Archdiocese of Vienna, Austria did not respond to our media requests, either; since Bishop Clemens claimed to have followed Vienna’s assessment of the different abuse cases, LifeSite sought information from them, but was denied that information. 

    Provost Bernhard Backovsky has also not responded to LifeSite’s media inquiry. As it seems, the culture of cover-up and of silence is still alive in the Church.

    Is this the way the Vatican, after Pope Francis’s assurances that sɛҳuąƖ abuse and cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse will now be handled differently, is dealing with the suffering of victims of sɛҳuąƖ abuse in Klosterneuburg?

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/recently-closed-sex-abuse-investigation-of-austrian-abbey-raises-questions-of-cover-up/

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    « Reply #1 on: May 25, 2022, 05:12:35 PM »
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    • “Clemens is well known for his tendencies among German-speaking colleagues in Rome who at times make jokes about his earlier profession as a hairdresser.”

    :facepalm:
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    « Reply #2 on: May 25, 2022, 07:52:12 PM »
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    • These two were rather suspicious, so this does not surprise me.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 25, 2022, 07:55:18 PM »
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    « Reply #4 on: May 25, 2022, 07:59:01 PM »
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    • Evidently they also performed for Bergoglio ... and we can see Ganswein there (despite rarely being seen around Bergoglio most of the time).  There's a large crowd of bishops in the backround also.

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    « Reply #5 on: May 25, 2022, 08:07:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2022, 07:55:18 PM

    That photo always makes me ill.
    Look how he is leaning in, leering at the man stripping.  And look at the bishop on the far right, grinning from ear to ear.  Barf.
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    « Reply #6 on: May 25, 2022, 08:09:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2022, 07:59:01 PM
    Evidently they also performed for Bergoglio ... and we can see Ganswein there (despite rarely being seen around Bergoglio most of the time).  There's a large crowd of bishops in the backround also.


    At least he isn't leering at the stripper.
    Ganswein looks very pleased at the performance. 
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    « Reply #7 on: May 25, 2022, 08:26:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on May 25, 2022, 08:09:31 PM
    Ganswein looks very pleased at the performance.

    He most certainly does.
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    « Reply #8 on: May 25, 2022, 08:29:20 PM »
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    • Excuse me!... Your Excellency, Archbishop Vigano,

    Titillating Vatican queer stories are old news... "sono noiosi".


    What we'd like to hear about are the operations and members of the secret society running the visible Church... known as Opus Dei.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 25, 2022, 09:34:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 25, 2022, 08:29:20 PM
    Excuse me!... Your Excellency, Archbishop Vigano,

    Titillating Vatican queer stories are old news... "sono noiosi".


    What we'd like to hear about are the operations and members of the secret society running the visible Church... known as Opus Dei.
    REALLY old news, aparently...

    I would like to know more about Opus Dei, too.  My parents nearly bought into their b.s.  Thank God they listened to their gut.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 25, 2022, 09:44:58 PM »
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    • There’s not much I care less about than whatever Opus Dei is doing. 

    :facepalm:
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    « Reply #11 on: May 25, 2022, 09:50:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 25, 2022, 09:44:58 PM
    There’s not much I care less about that whatever Opus Dei is doing. 

    :facepalm:
    Okay, you don't care about Opus Dei...
    even though they prepare Francis's weekly agenda and likely write Archbishop Vigano's virtual-encyclicals       :popcorn:
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    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2022, 09:52:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 25, 2022, 09:50:44 PM
    Okay, you don't care about Opus Dei...
    even though they prepare Francis's weekly agenda and likely write Archbishop Vigano's virtual-encyclicals      :popcorn:

    ::)

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    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2022, 10:20:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 25, 2022, 09:50:44 PM
    Okay, you don't care about Opus Dei...
    even though they prepare Francis's weekly agenda and likely write Archbishop Vigano's virtual-encyclicals      :popcorn:
    Interesting....  data?
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    « Reply #14 on: May 26, 2022, 01:37:45 AM »
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    • There is much info about Opus Dei here on CathInfo. Just do a  search.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/opus-dei-watch/msg804348/#msg804348

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