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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on May 25, 2022, 05:09:10 PM
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Abp. Viganò: Nuncio in Germany sent information ‘that there were strong suspicions that Clemens was a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ’
Johannes Heibel commented on Bishop Clemens’ answers to LifeSite as follows: “Well, basically, these are not answers to your questions at all. In arrogant, extremely arrogant, lecturing, typical clerical manner, he merely refers to rules and regulations and thus shows that he has learned nothing.”
By ignoring “what the perpetrators and their accomplices have done to the victims,” he continued, Bishop Clemens “shows himself as a man involved in cover-up.” For Heibel, it is clear that Clemens “is not interested in any real investigation or clarification of the events at the monastery,” trying to avoid further damage to the “already battered reputation of the monastery.”
“By not informing the public comprehensively, he seamlessly joins the ranks of the cover-ups,” Heibel concluded.
LifeSite also reached out to an expert in child protection, presenting him with our findings. He commented: “Every sincere measure and every honest effort to investigate, address, and prevent abuse must be guided by the principle that concern for those affected by abuse is the priority.”
In light of the damage that Bishop Clemens is adding to the situation in Klosterneuburg, it might be worthwhile questioning the Vatican’s decision to make him the Papal Delegate in Klosterneuburg.
Clemens has a controversial personal history himself. After having been the personal secretary of then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger for nearly twenty years (1984-2003), he was elevated to the episcopacy. However, as Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò revealed to LifeSite, the Vatican’s usual investigation before the consecration of a priest brought forth serious allegations of his being an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.
As LifeSite learned from Archbishop Viganò, it was the nuncio of Germany, Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo, who told him in his official capacity that an investigation into Clemens’ personal life has shown that there were strong suspicions that he was a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. Viganò also told LifeSite that Ratzinger at the time was warned about Clemens’ ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and that he nevertheless consecrated him a bishop.
By virtue of his work in the curia, Viganò was tasked with investigating Clemens when he was considered for the episcopate, as Viganò told LifeSite.
“The nuncio in Germany,” he continued, “was Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo. The information he sent from Germany was that there were strong suspicions that Clemens was a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. Thus his advice was negative on making him a bishop.”
At the time, Viganò worked as the delegate for Pontifical Representations. He told LifeSite: “My advice, as responsible for personnel in the curia, was also that Clemens should not be promoted (to bishop).” However, the Italian archbishop continued, “it was later reported to me that Ratzinger wanted Clemens to be promoted in spite of the information that was reported from Germany to me.”
LifeSite learned from another reliable source that Ratzinger himself had turned to Cardinal Joachim Meisner, archbishop of Cologne, asking him whether he could take Clemens into his diocese.
“I can confirm,” wrote LifeSite’s source who spoke on condition of anonymity, “that Cardinal Meisner told us that he refused the request of Ratzinger to welcome Clemens in Cologne and that he did so with the words: ‘no, because of homo [sɛҳuąƖity].’ He [Meisner] also wanted to offer Clemens a therapy which he declined.”
Another source in Rome told LifeSite: “The fact that Josef Clemens was and is an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ is well known among us here in Rome.” Yet an additional contact in Rome was able to confirm with his own sources that Clemens is an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.
A Vatican expert who wished to remain anonymous spoke with LifeSite about Bishop Clemens and his mission to investigate sɛҳuąƖ abuse cases in Klosterneuburg. He spontaneously asked whether making Clemens the Papal Delegate of this abbey is not similar “to asking the fox to guard the hen house.” After all, he added, Clemens is “well known for his tendencies among German-speaking colleagues in Rome who at times make jokes about his earlier profession as a hairdresser (https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/neuss/neuss-bischof-josef-clemens-aus-rom-kommt-nach-neuss_aid-34755959).”
Archbishop Viganò told LifeSite that “it was reported to me that there was quite a fight between Ganswein and Clemens,” when Ratzinger chose Georg Gänswein as his new secretary, in 2003.
LifeSite reached out to Bishop Clemens, asking him to comment on the facts as laid out in this report, both directly relating to his own personal life as well as relating to the position of Church officials.
Clemens said the claim that he is a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ “is an untruth” and later added, when questioned about the immorality of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts of a priest, “this is known to a moral theologian who wrote his doctoral thesis in moral theology.”
When asked about Cardinal Lajolo and Archbishop Viganò and their statements, Clemens explained that he has no knowledge of it. Furthermore, he told LifeSite that he would not answer any further questions: “By giving you these clear and unambiguous answers, I consider this matter to be closed.”
Media requests concerning Bishop Clemens to Pope emeritus Benedict XVI, the Vatican Press Office, as well as Cardinal Lajolo have remained unanswered. The Archdiocese of Vienna, Austria did not respond to our media requests, either; since Bishop Clemens claimed to have followed Vienna’s assessment of the different abuse cases, LifeSite sought information from them, but was denied that information.
Provost Bernhard Backovsky has also not responded to LifeSite’s media inquiry. As it seems, the culture of cover-up and of silence is still alive in the Church.
Is this the way the Vatican, after Pope Francis’s assurances that sɛҳuąƖ abuse and cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse will now be handled differently, is dealing with the suffering of victims of sɛҳuąƖ abuse in Klosterneuburg?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/recently-closed-sex-abuse-investigation-of-austrian-abbey-raises-questions-of-cover-up/
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“Clemens is well known for his tendencies among German-speaking colleagues in Rome who at times make jokes about his earlier profession as a hairdresser (https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/neuss/neuss-bischof-josef-clemens-aus-rom-kommt-nach-neuss_aid-34755959).”
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These two were rather suspicious, so this does not surprise me.
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2008/0804/360_georg_gaenswein_0403.jpg)
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(https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(301-400)/397_PrettyBoys01.jpg)
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Evidently they also performed for Bergoglio ... and we can see Ganswein there (despite rarely being seen around Bergoglio most of the time). There's a large crowd of bishops in the backround also.
(https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(701-800)/769_Homo-1.jpg)
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(https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(301-400)/397_PrettyBoys01.jpg)
That photo always makes me ill.
Look how he is leaning in, leering at the man stripping. And look at the bishop on the far right, grinning from ear to ear. Barf.
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Evidently they also performed for Bergoglio ... and we can see Ganswein there (despite rarely being seen around Bergoglio most of the time). There's a large crowd of bishops in the backround also.
(https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(701-800)/769_Homo-1.jpg)
At least he isn't leering at the stripper.
Ganswein looks very pleased at the performance.
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Ganswein looks very pleased at the performance.
He most certainly does.
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Excuse me!... Your Excellency, Archbishop Vigano,
Titillating Vatican queer stories are old news... "sono noiosi".
What we'd like to hear about are the operations and members of the secret society running the visible Church... known as Opus Dei.
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Excuse me!... Your Excellency, Archbishop Vigano,
Titillating Vatican queer stories are old news... "sono noiosi".
What we'd like to hear about are the operations and members of the secret society running the visible Church... known as Opus Dei.
REALLY old news, aparently...
I would like to know more about Opus Dei, too. My parents nearly bought into their b.s. Thank God they listened to their gut.
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There’s not much I care less about than whatever Opus Dei is doing.
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There’s not much I care less about that whatever Opus Dei is doing.
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Okay, you don't care about Opus Dei...
even though they prepare Francis's weekly agenda and likely write Archbishop Vigano's virtual-encyclicals :popcorn:
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Okay, you don't care about Opus Dei...
even though they prepare Francis's weekly agenda and likely write Archbishop Vigano's virtual-encyclicals :popcorn:
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Okay, you don't care about Opus Dei...
even though they prepare Francis's weekly agenda and likely write Archbishop Vigano's virtual-encyclicals :popcorn:
Interesting.... data?
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There is much info about Opus Dei here on CathInfo. Just do a search.
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/opus-dei-watch/msg804348/#msg804348
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Interesting.... data?
In Archbishop Vigano’s transition from being 11th ranked in the Holy See, he relied on two Opus Dei publication editors to help him write his whistle-blower cover story.
Opus Dei is a deeply entrenched secret society. Why no mention of it?
+Vigano knows Opus Dei is the Octopus 🐙 brain behind the schismatic church curtain…. and that Francis’s gang are just the tentacles.
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... he relied on two Opus Dei publication editors ...
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... and likely write Archbishop Vigano's virtual-encyclicals :popcorn:
Garbage. So Opus Dei promote Bergoglio and they attack Bergoglio at the same time.
Again, I'd listen to your conspiracy theory if you could give me a single credible Cui bono? ... which is required to make any conspiracy theory credible.
There's just so much benefit to the V2 conspirators to have a high-ranking bishop come out, reject Vatican II and the NOM in principle, throw out the chief method that the Hegelians have used to gradually corrupt those on the right, namely, the hermeneutic of continuity, and even to state that it's possible that Bergoglio is not the pope. All I see is the message of +Vivano moving people like Patrick Coffin (and numerous others) to the right, removing the "taboo" of criticizing the "Pope" and questioning his legitimacy. People can say, look, here's a high-ranking Vatican prelate who's questioning whether Bergoglio is the pope, so maybe it's NOT in fact verbotten to consider whether the Holy See might be vacant ... and that Vatican II and the NOM need not be reformed but thrown into the trash bin as the garbage they are.
So he worked with a couple people in Opus Dei. I've known a fair number of people who were in OD as well. I guess I'm a conspirator also. This is like if I went into hiding and ... let's say I knew Taylor Marshall ... and I decided to send my material to him to get it out there, or maybe also to Voris. That means I'm an Opus Dei agent, right? [In fact, the people whom I knew at OD would attend the Motu Mass basically to prosletyze, but had absolutely zero tolerance for people who believed there was anything essentially wrong with Vatican II and the New Mass].
So get back to me with a credible Cui bono? for the impact that +Vigano has had on the Catholic world that serves the purposes of the conspirators, or shut the hell up with this stupid fanciful narrative rooted in nothing but your imagination.
This is precisely the same issue I had with those few anti-Putin nuts here. They weave some nice-sounding narrative about Putin this and Dugin that, but don't have a shred of evidence that Putin is consciously working for the globalists and the Jєωs.
I'm about as open as anyone out here to "conspiracy theories". I'm convinced that the Earth is Flat and that +Siri was the rightful pope until his death in 1989. But that's because there's solid EVIDENCE for those positions. I looked at them with an open mind and realized that there's enough smoke there to suggest a fire. Here I see absolutely nothing, nada, just a bunch of fanciful bullcrap. But I rejected the conspiracy theory that nuclear bombs are not real ... not because I didn't look at it with an open mind, but I didn't see a single shred of real evidence to support the theory. They spun a nice alternative narrative that might possibly work, but provided not a single shred of positive evidence for its reality. I find the same thing here with the +Vigano conspiracy theory ... and the no-nukes theory.
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Garbage. So Opus Dei promote Bergoglio and they attack Bergoglio at the same time.
Again, I'd listen to your conspiracy theory if you could give me a single credible Cui bono? ... which is required to make any conspiracy theory credible.
There's just so much benefit to the V2 conspirators to have a high-ranking bishop come out, reject Vatican II and the NOM in principle, throw out the chief method that the Hegelians have used to gradually corrupt those on the right, namely, the hermeneutic of continuity, and even to state that it's possible that Bergoglio is not the pope. All I see is the message of +Vivano moving people like Patrick Coffin (and numerous others) to the right, removing the "taboo" of criticizing the "Pope" and questioning his legitimacy. People can say, look, here's a high-ranking Vatican prelate who's questioning whether Bergoglio is the pope, so maybe it's NOT in fact verbotten to consider whether the Holy See might be vacant ... and that Vatican II and the NOM need not be reformed but thrown into the trash bin as the garbage they are.
So he worked with a couple people in Opus Dei. I've known a fair number of people who were in OD as well. I guess I'm a conspirator also. This is like if I went into hiding and ... let's say I knew Taylor Marshall ... and I decided to send my material to him to get it out there, or maybe also to Voris. That means I'm an Opus Dei agent, right? [In fact, the people whom I knew at OD would attend the Motu Mass basically to prosletyze, but had absolutely zero tolerance for people who believed there was anything essentially wrong with Vatican II and the New Mass].
So get back to me with a credible Cui bono? for the impact that +Vigano has had on the Catholic world that serves the purposes of the conspirators, or shut the hell up with this stupid fanciful narrative rooted in nothing but your imagination.
This is precisely the same issue I had with those few anti-Putin nuts here. They weave some nice-sounding narrative about Putin this and Dugin that, but don't have a shred of evidence that Putin is consciously working for the globalists and the Jєωs.
I'm about as open as anyone out here to "conspiracy theories". I'm convinced that the Earth is Flat and that +Siri was the rightful pope until his death in 1989. But that's because there's solid EVIDENCE for those positions. I looked at them with an open mind and realized that there's enough smoke there to suggest a fire. Here I see absolutely nothing, nada, just a bunch of fanciful bullcrap. But I rejected the conspiracy theory that nuclear bombs are not real ... not because I didn't look at it with an open mind, but I didn't see a single shred of real evidence to support the theory. They spun a nice alternative narrative that might possibly work, but provided not a single shred of positive evidence for its reality. I find the same thing here with the +Vigano conspiracy theory ... and the no-nukes theory.
Very well said.
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Lads, are you still taking a nap?
I got photos for you.
Here's the two Opus Die journalists who edited, published and distributed Vigano's Vatican scandal story.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdomani.arcoiris.tv%2Fsito%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Faldo_maria_valli.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Marco Tosatti
Tosatti said, was also greatly influenced by the writings of Opus Dei’s founder, JosemaríaEscrivá,
especially Camino (The Way), the handbook that guides the spiritual life of Opus Dei adherents.
Although he has stated that he was not a numerary or supernumerary of Opus Dei, the record is clear
that, as a journalist, he has maintained close and favorable ties with the Prelature.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Qs6uMColZ_gX5SNT1XrrkAHaDq%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
Aldo Maria Valli
Valli is a member of Opus Dei.
His association with Ares and Studi Cattolicaici, however, is proof of his strong affiliation to Opus Dei.
When you wake up, you can read the full story here: Opus Die's Role in the Vigano affair (https://akacatholic.com/opus-deis-role-in-the-vigano-affair/)
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Lads, are you still taking a nap?
I got photos for you.
Here's the two Opus Die journalists who edited, published and distributed Vigano's Vatican scandal story.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdomani.arcoiris.tv%2Fsito%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Faldo_maria_valli.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Marco Tosatti
Tosatti said, was also greatly influenced by the writings of Opus Dei’s founder, JosemaríaEscrivá,
especially Camino (The Way), the handbook that guides the spiritual life of Opus Dei adherents.
Although he has stated that he was not a numerary or supernumerary of Opus Dei, the record is clear
that, as a journalist, he has maintained close and favorable ties with the Prelature.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Qs6uMColZ_gX5SNT1XrrkAHaDq%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
Aldo Maria Valli
Valli is a member of Opus Dei.
His association with Ares and Studi Cattolicaici, however, is proof of his strong affiliation to Opus Dei.
When you wake up, you can read the full story here: Opus Die's Role in the Vigano affair (https://akacatholic.com/opus-deis-role-in-the-vigano-affair/)
Bullshit.
Is the Washington Post part of Opus Dei, because that’s where the main interviews that did all the damage were given, and not with the journalists you mentioned.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/former-vatican-ambassador-says-pope-benedict-and-pope-francis-knew-of-sɛҳuąƖ-misconduct-allegations-against-mccarrick-for-years/2018/08/26/5ac6dcda-a7e0-11e8-ad6f-080770dcddc2_story.html
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Lads, are you still taking a nap?
I got photos for you.
You're an idiot or else of bad will if you think a photo of some Opus Dei guy proves your fanciful narrative, and you're not an idiot. First guy there isn't even part of OD, but just said he was influenced by Escriva's book, which can mean anything. This proves what?
I repeat ...
1) explain of Cui bono? of +Vigano
2) prove that +Vigano is an Opus Dei operative
Simply because he handed some stuff over to a couple guys who also happened to be influenced by Opus Dei proves absolutey nothing, except in your own poisoned mind.
So you claimed that Opus Dei is promoting Bergoglio and in lock step with him. Here Opus Dei printed the expose of Bergoglio by +Vigano. As Our Lord taught, a house divided cannot stand. Why are they promoting Bergoglio and attacking him at the same time?
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Garbage. So Opus Dei promote Bergoglio and they attack Bergoglio at the same time.
Again, I'd listen to your conspiracy theory if you could give me a single credible Cui bono? ... which is required to make any conspiracy theory credible.
There's just so much benefit to the V2 conspirators to have a high-ranking bishop come out, reject Vatican II and the NOM in principle, throw out the chief method that the Hegelians have used to gradually corrupt those on the right, namely, the hermeneutic of continuity, and even to state that it's possible that Bergoglio is not the pope. All I see is the message of +Vivano moving people like Patrick Coffin (and numerous others) to the right, removing the "taboo" of criticizing the "Pope" and questioning his legitimacy. People can say, look, here's a high-ranking Vatican prelate who's questioning whether Bergoglio is the pope, so maybe it's NOT in fact verbotten to consider whether the Holy See might be vacant ... and that Vatican II and the NOM need not be reformed but thrown into the trash bin as the garbage they are.
So he worked with a couple people in Opus Dei. I've known a fair number of people who were in OD as well. I guess I'm a conspirator also. This is like if I went into hiding and ... let's say I knew Taylor Marshall ... and I decided to send my material to him to get it out there, or maybe also to Voris. That means I'm an Opus Dei agent, right? [In fact, the people whom I knew at OD would attend the Motu Mass basically to prosletyze, but had absolutely zero tolerance for people who believed there was anything essentially wrong with Vatican II and the New Mass].
So get back to me with a credible Cui bono? for the impact that +Vigano has had on the Catholic world that serves the purposes of the conspirators, or shut the hell up with this stupid fanciful narrative rooted in nothing but your imagination.
This is precisely the same issue I had with those few anti-Putin nuts here. They weave some nice-sounding narrative about Putin this and Dugin that, but don't have a shred of evidence that Putin is consciously working for the globalists and the Jєωs.
I'm about as open as anyone out here to "conspiracy theories". I'm convinced that the Earth is Flat and that +Siri was the rightful pope until his death in 1989. But that's because there's solid EVIDENCE for those positions. I looked at them with an open mind and realized that there's enough smoke there to suggest a fire. Here I see absolutely nothing, nada, just a bunch of fanciful bullcrap. But I rejected the conspiracy theory that nuclear bombs are not real ... not because I didn't look at it with an open mind, but I didn't see a single shred of real evidence to support the theory. They spun a nice alternative narrative that might possibly work, but provided not a single shred of positive evidence for its reality. I find the same thing here with the +Vigano conspiracy theory ... and the no-nukes theory.
Lad are you serious?! There's a whole thread about this with pictures and everything. And for the record I'm anti-Ukraine AND anti-Russia. The only country I would be FOR would be a Catholic centered country.
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Lad are you serious?! There's a whole thread about this with pictures and everything.
Oh, there are pictures. Just like Incred's picture of two people influenced by OD that +Vigano knows proves that he's an agent of Opus Dei.