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Offline Matthew

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #95 on: January 05, 2024, 09:36:44 AM »
Abp. Vigano HAS been conditionally consecrated by a valid, Traditional bishop.

The veracity of that story has been confirmed by me personally and you're going to have to accept it, or at least "agree to disagree".

Let's put it this way: you can believe whatever you want, but you're not allowed to post heresy OR error on CathInfo. And according to me, the moderator, "Abp. Vigano being conditionally consecrated" is an undisputed fact, no longer open for debate.

You can be upset at "whoever" for not publishing a proper press release, fine -- but you can't post anything contrary to the fact (as stated above) without accusing ME of lying (attacking moderator = bannable offense) or violating CathInfo rules (also a bannable offense).
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2024, 09:39:53 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on January 05, 2024, 09:36:44 AM
Abp. Vigano HAS been conditionally consecrated by a valid, Traditional bishop.

The veracity of that story has been confirmed by me personally and you're going to have to accept it, or at least "agree to disagree".

Let's put it this way: you can believe whatever you want, but you're not allowed to post heresy OR error on CathInfo. And according to me, the moderator, "Abp. Vigano being conditionally consecrated" is an undisputed fact, no longer open for debate.

You can be upset at "whoever" for not publishing a proper press release, fine -- but you can't post anything contrary to the fact (as stated above) without accusing ME of lying (attacking moderator = bannable offense) or violating CathInfo rules (also a bannable offense).
Given most people will not see this, perhaps a pinned "CathInfo Rules" would make it clear to all.
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Offline Centroamerica

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2024, 09:47:12 AM »
It's incredibly easy to verify. I haven't because I trust Ladislaus word on it. Matthew is throwing his weight behind it now too. It would be practical for Bishop Williamson to speak on it in Kyrie Eleison eventually. Be nice to hear from +Vigano about it.
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Offline Giovanni Berto

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #98 on: January 05, 2024, 10:12:23 AM »
There might not be an official annoucement, because it could make some damage to the idea that "not all Novus Ordo consecrations and ordinations are doubtful".

We have discussed recently how Bp. Thomas Aquinas fiercely defends a particular Novus Ordo ordination. If Bp. Williamson makes Vigano's conditional consecration public, it will be even harder for Bp. Thomas Aquinas to sustain his defence.

Let's wait and see. :popcorn:
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Offline gemmarose

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #99 on: January 05, 2024, 10:21:25 AM »
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on January 05, 2024, 10:12:23 AM
There might not be an official annoucement, because it could make some damage to the idea that "not all Novus Ordo consecrations and ordinations are doubtful".

We have discussed recently how Bp. Thomas Aquinas fiercely defends a particular Novus Ordo ordination. If Bp. Williamson makes Vigano's conditional consecration public, it will be even harder for Bp. Thomas Aquinas to sustain his defence.

Let's wait and see. :popcorn:
Well then if Vigano is afraid to make a statement to everyone, then I believe that would be called sin of omission.
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