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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #90 on: December 23, 2023, 09:11:04 PM »
This thread brought me out of my slumber....

I think it's a very interesting situation, but like others, I'm not entirely convinced about the conditional consecration.  It appears he was ordained in 1968, but was it the old rite or the new rite...does anyone know?

Also, has there been any real confirmation about the conditional consecration yet?

… early in 1968, before the New Rite was promulgated/published.  And then it was a while before the books were printed. And then there was a reprieve where it didn’t become mandatory until Easter 1970.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #91 on: December 23, 2023, 09:16:40 PM »
Conditional consecration has been confirmed.  Not sure why they’re playing games, with Fr. Chazal trying to be cryptic and no public announcement.

I’m inclined to reveal the sources if they don’t stop playing games.  This is bordering on childish.


Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #92 on: December 24, 2023, 05:57:50 AM »
A Vigano consecration has huge consequences for Tradition in my opinion. It’s not much different than if a Cardinal came to the SSPX seeking conditional ordination and consecration. Vigano was, afterall, Apostolic Nuncio for the US. No small matter. And this far into the crisis gives another element to it as well. Considering he would consider most of his “brother bishops” dubious at best. It could lead to the conditional consecration for others. Especially with the constant news regarding bishops speaking up against Bergoglio’s constant scandals. The man who claims to be pope (not sure he really claims that title), has proven and gained notoriety of being anti-Catholic, anti-Tradition and a manifest heretic by many outside of Traditional Catholic circles. 

I would have expected some declarations or statements but it feels as though none are forthcoming. Which then leads me to believe, given the Resistance attitude towards the validity of the Novus Ordo sacraments (new order priests, Valid Novus Ordo Masses and sacraments, defense of New Rite consecrations), I have serious doubts whether or not Vigano has had conditional consecration. 

I fear the games are being played and are not substantiated by fact. 

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #93 on: December 24, 2023, 06:14:38 AM »
Because those New Order priests will just decide that Vigano is too extreme. They will agree with Vigano on his criticism of Bergoglio and the New Mass (maybe). But they will avoid Vigano because he will be seen as going too far by doubting the New Holy Orders.

I think this is what is going on as well (but I would include his brother Novus Ordo bishops along with the Novus Ordo priests). These priests and other conservative-leaning Novus Ordo men will more likely look into his "only orthodox" seminary (rather than that sedeprivationist, too extreme seminary that's been around in Italy for decades).

Having said that, I can see why others are questioning whether it ever happened given all we have are other posters saying it has been confirmed.  Even if names of sources are given, it's not the sources themselves.

Meanwhile those "in the know" are playing coy with the conditional consecration.  Games indeed. 

When they do decide it's "safe" to reveal it to the world, I sure hope they have evidence that it happened given how important this particular conditional consecration is supposed to be and how some very well-known, past Traditional consecrations are viewed.

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #94 on: December 24, 2023, 03:49:48 PM »
Conditional consecration has been confirmed.  Not sure why they’re playing games, with Fr. Chazal trying to be cryptic and no public announcement.

I’m inclined to reveal the sources if they don’t stop playing games.  This is bordering on childish.
I'm sorry.  This is a gratuitous statement.  The only confirmation I've seen anywhere is from posters on CathInfo.  That's hardly "confirmation".