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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2023, 10:13:27 AM »
You’re welcome Giovanni Berto. Don’t hesitate to contact me if you want to be put directly in contact with the priests in Brazil. 

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2023, 12:18:44 PM »
This thread brought me out of my slumber....

I think it's a very interesting situation, but like others, I'm not entirely convinced about the conditional consecration.  It appears he was ordained in 1968, but was it the old rite or the new rite...does anyone know?

Also, has there been any real confirmation about the conditional consecration yet?


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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2023, 01:40:29 PM »
men must never in their lives where blue jeans for example or they are not really Traditionalist. Denim is said to be a modernist material and would make one a modernist wearing it.
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Are you sure there isn't some mistake here? This sounds like a story that would result from something like, his parishioners are modernists so they wear jeans to Mass on Sunday, which is a modernist practice, and he tried to explain this to them, and they maliciously distorted his words to mean that wearing jeans anywhere, any time is modernist, and that's what got repeated to you.

Did you actually hear him say this with your own ears, and in those terms? It's pretty hard for me to imagine any traditional priest saying exactly what you described.

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2023, 02:41:45 PM »
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:confused:

Are you sure there isn't some mistake here? This sounds like a story that would result from something like, his parishioners are modernists so they wear jeans to Mass on Sunday, which is a modernist practice, and he tried to explain this to them, and they maliciously distorted his words to mean that wearing jeans anywhere, any time is modernist, and that's what got repeated to you.

Did you actually hear him say this with your own ears, and in those terms? It's pretty hard for me to imagine any traditional priest saying exactly what you described.
I mean, you are asking for specifics so here we go. Two nuns from the south of the country published a book addressing modesty. I did not read the book. The issue was brought to me at the chapel I attended (resistance) when I lived here in Brazil where I am currently spending Christmas. The chapel coordinators informed me that men, in their day to day lives, are never to wear blue jeans. I was told it came as an approved teaching of Dom Thomas Aquinas. Upon going to the monastery for an event, I managed to get Bishop Thomas Aquinas for a moment when the nuns happened to be nearby. One of the nuns literally interjected herself into the conversation, interrupted Bishop Thomas Aquinas several times. When he was finally able to speak he looked directly at me and said in plain Portuguese in response to my very specific question if it was ok to wear blue jeans to the grocery store with my wife on a weekday after work. He said exactly “a man who wears blue jeans is not so Traditionalist”. Let me add that I was raised in the SSPX and have never worn blue jeans to Mass. I was very specific in my question because of how it was presented to me. 

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2023, 02:44:16 PM »
I will add to that that I did follow up in an email with Fr. Ernesto Cardozo about the blue jean mess just to see if that was universal among all the priests in Brazil. Fr. Cardozo more or less said it was nonsense and that if denin makes you a modernist because it is a modernist material than what do they think polyester blends are!