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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2023, 12:54:53 PM »
There is a text that was posted in the official website of Bp. Thomas Aquinas' monastery about this issue.

The text has almost exactly the same content of the video that Centroamerica briefed us on.

Here is a Google Translator version of the text: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-US&u=https://www.mosteirodasantacruz.org/post/em-defesa-do-pe-jahir-e-de-seu-sacerd%25C3%25B3cio&client=webapp

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Very unsettling.  First, he seems to suggest that only sedevacantists might have issues with the New Rites of Priestly Ordination and/or Episcopal Consecration.  Secondly, he calls it "an act of pride" to have such questions, and seems to think that the questions regarding validity are unacceptable if the priest has done "excellent work" and "serve[d] countless souls".  This is such a theological disaster that it makes me question whether he should have been consecrated a bishop in the first place.

Stream of conscioussness:  sedevacantists, +Lefebvre, excellent work ... as if this even begins to touch the theological problems people might have.  He's doing nothing but emoting here.

Offline Emile

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2023, 02:08:12 PM »
Someone should tell the bishop that sacraments, especially Holy Orders, are public business.

This is Catholicism, not Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. :fryingpan:
Good post, GB!

It's funny how this keeps coming up. Traditional Catholicism is a relatively small group to begin with, but if it weren't for doubts about the new rites I would be surprised if it were even a 1/3 the size that it is. Why do some of the leaders find this so hard to grasp?


Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2023, 02:30:42 PM »
Good post, GB!

It's funny how this keeps coming up. Traditional Catholicism is a relatively small group to begin with, but if it weren't for doubts about the new rites I would be surprised if it were even a 1/3 the size that it is. Why do some of the leaders find this so hard to grasp?

I think that they are afraid to take positions that Sedevacantists are known for.

If they conditionally ordain everybody from the Novus Ordo, they might be accused of "practicing Sedevacantism", as some humorous posters put it.

It has lot to do with pride. These fellows seem to be very proud to be anti-Sedevacantists, even if they have to harm innumerous souls to show how tough they are.

Look how they proudly accuse everybody who questions the Novus Ordo ordinations of being Sedevacantists.

You cannot deny the truth just because you don't like the person who is saying it.

It is humiliating for the faithful when a bishop, of all people, act like an unbalanced and passionate woman, mixing emotion and faulty logic on a serious matter such as doubtful sacraments.

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2023, 02:45:08 PM »
I was hoping someone else would take to the task of translating the video. I could have done it and put it in a big separate post about why the Holy Cross monastery now posing as a seminary is a bad thing for Tradition but that’s not really my motive, even though it should have been done. Bishop Thomas Aquinas performed my wedding. I was very close to him and the Brazilian resistance. I got a lot of criticism and what amounts to excommunication for supporting Bishop Rodrigo da Silva despite the Brazilian resistance, but I have very strong reasons for doing so. 

I would just go on to say that there was definitely a need for a Brazilian bishop, so Bishop Williamson acted in good faith by consecrating and giving Brazil a bishop. There is a lot of story regarding Holy Cross monastery I would rather not get into, but it seems to be undermining the growth of Tradition in Brazil. Luckily, Bishop Williamson did recognize a stand up leader with a true missionary spirit at the Holy Cross monastery. Brother Miguel definitely stood out among the rest. For that reason he was sent to study in Avrille and later ordained by Bishop Williamson as Fr. Rodrigo da Silva. As fate would have it, he would cross paths in a South American airport with Bishop Dolan, who also immediately recognized this charisma and made him a bishop. Since then, Tradition in Brazil has been sustained. 


Offline Meg

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2023, 03:06:42 PM »
Once the Resistance competition is eliminated, Sedevacantism can then prevail, and thus Tradition will prevail in Brazil. Would that be correct?