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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2023, 10:18:07 AM »
I just wish that Father Chazal, the Resistance, and the sedeprivationists would sit down and talk instead of remaining entrenched in these artificial dividing lines.  They'd realize that they hold more in common than they disagree, and that their disagreement amounts to little more than a few details or nuances that should not be show-stoppers from realizing that they're basically "on the same team," as it were.

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2023, 10:59:33 AM »
I just wish that Father Chazal, the Resistance, and the sedeprivationists would sit down and talk instead of remaining entrenched in these artificial dividing lines.  They'd realize that they hold more in common than they disagree, and that their disagreement amounts to little more than a few details or nuances that should not be show-stoppers from realizing that they're basically "on the same team," as it were.

I agree. Way too many divisions among Traditional Catholics. To some extent, I believe the petty bickering and arrogant divisions prolong the crisis in the Church. Wanting to be right and having a sort of messianic group that is going to save the Church has really done nothing good at all for the Faith. All the valid Latin Rite Catholic bishops of Tradition should be holding annual meetings to resolve differences if they really sincerely cared about the state of the Church. Maybe all wouldn’t attend at first but eventually most would. Somewhere schism is defined as a refusal of communion with other Catholics, and so Traditional Catholicism risks becoming a hundred little sects with frequent schisms within which lead to more sects. 

Despite this, the Vigano news is good news. Maybe the resistance groups will become more willing to work with the non-dogmatic Sedevacantist groups in the future. There’s so many groups of Traditional Catholics at this time, it’s hard to keep up with them all. New bishops for new groups are being consecrated every year. Hopefully, unity between the groups will become more of a focus in years to come. 


Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2023, 02:10:42 PM »
Hopefully, unity between the groups will become more of a focus in years to come.

Instead of 'the Great Apostasy begins at the top' we need 'the great Restoration begins at the top'.  Once we have a pope instead of an apostate, I think we'll be moving in that direction.

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2023, 02:17:02 PM »
I just wish that Father Chazal, the Resistance, and the sedeprivationists would sit down and talk instead of remaining entrenched in these artificial dividing lines.  They'd realize that they hold more in common than they disagree, and that their disagreement amounts to little more than a few details or nuances that should not be show-stoppers from realizing that they're basically "on the same team," as it were.

Fr. Chazal is fine if one holds the private opinion that Jorge Bergoglio is not pope. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2023, 05:26:21 PM »
Fr. Chazal is fine if one holds the private opinion that Jorge Bergoglio is not pope.

What does a "private opinion" mean vs. a "public opinion"?  That distinction is meaningless.  Obviously everyone understands that we can't authoritatively depose a pope.  Does it mean you're allowed to think it but not say it?  This makes no sense.