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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2023, 11:34:24 AM »
Umm… does anyone know if the Conditionally ordained Bp. Vigano is publicly backing Trump for 2024?

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Get the popcorn ready Incredulous!  At this point, do we even know if Bp. Vigano can vote in an American election?  Why would he endorse any candidate in this dogfight? One could vote for Trump, Kennedy, Vivek, or deSantis at this point.  Although I am not sure where Kennedy stands on abortion.  

Unless Bp. Vigano plans to ordain or consecrate men, why does it matter?  Now, when he consecrates ten bishops, kaboom, at that point he has a moral obligation to make known to the priests and laity that he is conditionally consecrated, because the laity and priests have a right to know that they are receiving valid sacraments.  

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2023, 11:37:30 AM »
Get the popcorn ready Incredulous!  At this point, do we even know if Bp. Vigano can vote in an American election?  Why would he endorse any candidate in this dogfight? One could vote for Trump, Kennedy, Vivek, or deSantis at this point.  Although I am not sure where Kennedy stands on abortion. 

Unless Bp. Vigano plans to ordain or consecrate men, why does it matter?  Now, when he consecrates ten bishops, kaboom, at that point he has a moral obligation to make known to the priests and laity that he is conditionally consecrated, because the laity and priests have a right to know that they are receiving valid sacraments. 
He's starting a new seminary.  Who is going to do the ordaining?


Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2023, 11:47:33 AM »
Traditionalist bishops (and priests) should not present themselves and behave in any manner that implies that they have any canonical mission or jurisdiction. They exist as emergency providers of sacraments in these crisis times, nothing more. The laity are very much at liberty to question them regarding all manner of ecclesiastical matters.

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2023, 11:48:59 AM »
Traditionalist bishops (and priests) should not present themselves and behave in any manner that implies that they have any canonical mission or jurisdiction. They exist as emergency providers of sacraments in these crisis times, nothing more. The laity are very much at liberty to question them regarding all manner of ecclesiastical matters.

Very nicely put!

Re: Vigano allegedly consecrated sub conditione
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2023, 12:40:22 PM »
There is a text that was posted in the official website of Bp. Thomas Aquinas' monastery about this issue.

The text has almost exactly the same content of the video that Centroamerica briefed us on.

Here is a Google Translator version of the text: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-US&u=https://www.mosteirodasantacruz.org/post/em-defesa-do-pe-jahir-e-de-seu-sacerd%25C3%25B3cio&client=webapp

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In defense of Father Jahir and his priesthood               
                   

We want to record here our vehement disapproval of those who, among the sedevacantists, attack the Rev. Father Jahir Britto and deny his priesthood.                       

It is frivolity, an act of pride, to cast doubt on the priesthood of those who within the Tradition have always done excellent work, like Father Jahir, who founded a religious congregation that served and continues to serve countless souls, and whose priesthood was received from a traditional-minded bishop.                                           

Dom Lefebvre did not doubt the ordinations in the new rite. The only thing he said could be doubted was the bishop's intention, and there is no reason to doubt the intention of the bishop who ordained Father Jahir, as he was a bishop trained in the old way, a bishop whom Father Jahir chose. for its more traditional spirit. So, to question the priesthood of the Reverend. Father is to disturb the faithful in an unworthy and irresponsible way.


We rise, therefore, vehemently to defend Father Jahir's priestly honor and remember all the good he did for souls in Bahia and outside Bahia, as well as the good done by his community and in particular by Father Joaquim, which was formed by Father Jahir and which has given assistance to souls in numerous states in Brazil. For the honor of Father Jahir, his monastery and his faithful, we make this protest, and more than a protest, a condemnation of those who disturb souls by questioning the priesthood of Father Jahir Britto.

May Our Lady bless us and protect us from every error and every unfounded disturbance. So be it.

+ Thomas Aquinas, OSB

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