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Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2020, 02:36:19 AM »
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  • He was made an Archbishop by John XXIII who started Vatican Council II and was pretty close to Paul VI. Paul VI continued what John XXIII started.

    John XXIII is the founder of the Second Vatican Council. Then again, whatever John XXIII's disposition was, we don't fully know. Before the second session of the council could open, John XXIII died. Pope John XXIII never signed one document of the Second Vatican Council. In fact on his deathbed, John XXIII's last words as reported by Jean Guitton who was a peritus at the council were: "Stop the Council; Stop the Council." The Second Vatican Council stomped on John XXIII because John XXIII wanted the Second Vatican Council to be more like the First Vatican Council or the Council of Trent. The Catholic Church was infiltrated. John XXIII was very upset after the first session of the council when he realized that the papacy had lost control of the whole process. John XXIII solemnly confirmed the use of Latin, reaffirmed traditional practices, condemned all attempts at modernism when it came to the celebrant of the Holy Mass, ordered Gregorian Chant, and forbade women from entry to the altar area. All of this got stomped on. John XXIII created a monster.
    Somewhere in the last century, Western man suffered a catastrophic loss of faith—in himself, in his civilization, and in the faith that gave it birth. - Pat Buchanan 2008

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #16 on: August 04, 2020, 09:11:35 AM »
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  • Mac,

    As my dear Grandmother used to say, "Bless your heart".  I wish it were true.  

    As the photos below show, Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli had a lot of issues.

    The following link might be the most articulate overview of the high-jacking or "Eclipse" of the Catholic Church in 1958.

















    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #17 on: August 04, 2020, 11:01:24 AM »
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  • This was has much more detail about Roncalli ...


    Vigano for Pope !!!

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #18 on: August 04, 2020, 11:45:22 AM »
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  • What is not being said and needs to be said is there are 2 Thuc lines.  Bishop Moises Carmona and Bishop Guerard des Lauriers.  They are different.

    The First post of difference is minor and favors the line of consecrations initiated by Archbishop Lefebvre.

    While the consecrations of Archbishop Thuc were conferred in a secret manner, great publicity surrounded the consecrations  at Econe. but after the consecrations of Guerard des Lauriers and the Mexican priests, the attacks on Archbishop Thuc led to their losing their secret character. They became public and Rome provided these consecrations with the notoriety which they formerly lacked.

    Second difference favors the line established by Archbishop Thuc.  Those consecrations performed by Archbishop Thuc were performed by someone (?) who had recognized and publicly declared the Holy See lacked a formaliter pope. Two fortunate things followed from this recognition of the absence of any Authority.  It allowed both consecrator and those consecrated to invoke the principle of epikeia in presuming an apostolic mandate and as a result rendered the consecrations conferred, not only valid, but also licit.

    Bishop Carmona was the 2nd difference compared to Bishop Guerard des Lauriers.  What is understood is Bishop Carmona was correct. 

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #19 on: August 04, 2020, 11:51:28 AM »
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  • This was has much more detail about Roncalli ...



    As Bp. Williamson has said, give those thirsting for knowledge, drink through a sponge initially,
    lest they be overwhelmed and scandalized by it.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #20 on: August 04, 2020, 01:13:02 PM »
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  • As Bp. Williamson has said, give those thirsting for knowledge, drink through a sponge initially,
    lest they be overwhelmed and scandalized by it.

    This is a great series of videos.  I haven't seen them in years; thanks for posting the link.
    Vigano for Pope !!!

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #21 on: August 05, 2020, 08:04:50 AM »
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  • I think this is one of the series:




    In it he brings up Malachi Martin round min. 47 or a bit later.

    Can you comment on that please?  Is it true what he says there?
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #22 on: August 05, 2020, 11:59:06 AM »
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  • In it he brings up Malachi Martin round min. 47 or a bit later.

    Can you comment on that please?  Is it true what he says there?

    Yes, Malachi Martin is a nefarious character, probably a crypto-Jew.  There have been many threads on him.

    I like the part where he's talking about Martin's reaction (a bit after the segment you called out), where he stated his theory that they elected Siri on purpose, allowed him to accept, and THEN forced him out so that the subsequent plant would not have the grace of office that would prevent him from damaging the Church the way they ended up doing.
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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #23 on: August 05, 2020, 04:28:17 PM »
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  • Melanie Calvat (seer at La Salette):

    "The Church will be eclipsed. At first, we will not know which is the true pope. Then secondly, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will cease to be offered in churches and houses; it will be such that, for a time, there will not be public services any more. But I see that the Holy Sacrifice has not really ceased: it will be offered in barns, in alcoves, in caves, and underground." (Abbot Combe: "The Secret of Melanie and the Actual Crisis", Rome, 1906, p. 137)

    She even lays out the sequence.

    1) true Pope is not known (1958)
    2) Holy Sacrifice will cease and be exiled from the churches (1969)
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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #24 on: August 05, 2020, 04:50:19 PM »
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  • She even lays out the sequence.
    1) true Pope is not known (1958)
    2) Holy Sacrifice will cease and be exiled from the churches (1969)
    If one were to assume this vision is now history, wouldn't other events fit the language better?
    1) We will not know which is the true pope: Benedict/Francis
    2) for a time, there will not be public services any more: Closing due to CÖVÌD

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #25 on: August 05, 2020, 06:20:04 PM »
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  • If one were to assume this vision is now history, wouldn't other events fit the language better?
    1) We will not know which is the true pope: Benedict/Francis
    2) for a time, there will not be public services any more: Closing due to CÖVÌD

    I seriously doubt that Our Lady was warning of a 2-month CÖVÌD shutdown.

    And there are maybe a couple hundred people in the world who think Benedict is still pope.

    Then combine that with other parts of LaSalette about Rome losing the faith and becoming the seat of the Antichrist.
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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #26 on: August 05, 2020, 06:51:02 PM »
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  • And there are maybe a couple hundred people in the world who think Benedict is still pope.
    "At first, we will not know which is the true pope."
    Nobody knows what happened inside the conclave. There was no question "which" is the pope. According to the wiki the "Siri thesis" wasn't proposed until the 1980s.
    And if you want to go by numbers, I'm not sure many people even know about the "Siri thesis".

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #27 on: August 09, 2020, 08:01:28 PM »
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  • sorry if these reponses are clumsy relearned how this website works again

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #28 on: August 09, 2020, 08:03:14 PM »
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  • I wonder how much of a roll, if any, this theory in particular played in your decision to leave tradition to accept V2.
    I have read alot of Church history and the documents of Vatican II and earlier councils and I think the precision needed in a council is not that extreme. 

    I think that the requirement of sunday obligation outweights the absolute need of Latin mass over Novus Ordo mass.

    Obviously the council and what has happened sense is a disaster beyond words. 

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    Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
    « Reply #29 on: August 09, 2020, 09:54:57 PM »
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  • I have read alot of Church history and the documents of Vatican II and earlier councils and I think the precision needed in a council is not that extreme.

    I think that the requirement of sunday obligation outweights the absolute need of Latin mass over Novus Ordo mass.

    Obviously the council and what has happened sense is a disaster beyond words.

    But, show me a previous Church Council where the theology behind the Council documents was not Catholic?

    In this respect, Vatican II was unique.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


     

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