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  • Archbishop Lenga: Catholics should now form Catacomb Churches | From Rome

    17 min. video has English subtitles. The Archbishop discusses his new book "The Bergolian Sect" and about the need for Catholic Priests and Faithful to go "underground" and not be part of the Bergolian Sect.


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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #1 on: November 29, 2021, 03:21:45 PM »
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  • Isn't this was His Excellency Bishop Williams suggested regarding the resistance?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #2 on: November 29, 2021, 03:28:46 PM »
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  • Isn't this was His Excellency Bishop Williams suggested regarding the resistance?
    Except Lenga thinks the catacomb masses should be offered una cuм Benny.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #3 on: November 29, 2021, 04:04:49 PM »
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  • Isn't this pretty much what most real Traditionalists have been doing for 60 years now?
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #4 on: November 29, 2021, 06:11:11 PM »
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  • Except Lenga thinks the catacomb masses should be offered una cuм Benny.
    Any older hand or altar missal had Masses offered una cuм.....et Rege Nostro (in a 1806 hand missal which after the Mass has prayers for King George and Queen Charlotte). Our Saviour recognised Caesar under whose authority He was crucified. Catholic priests offering a Sarum Mass for a recusant family could mention Queen Elizabeth one Sunday and before next Sunday be hung, drawn and quartered under her authority. Even if sedes jeering refer to the SSPX rightly stating it is a prayer for the Pope, not an endorsement, it remains that. Benedict cleared out the pagan elements JP2 had put in his Assisi interfaith meeting, which while far from perfect, reached a minimum. Moreover, Summorum Pontificuм was a clear recognition that Montini could not, and never did abrogate the Mass. While it still put the problematic Novus Ordo rite on the same level, it gave the Mass standing. +Williamson and +Lefebvre were clear on the problems of the Novus Ordo but never held it was inherently not valid. Non una cuм was a theory advanced by +Guerard des Lauriers OP but the St Gertrude the Great priests unfortunately made it their own to frighten Catholics from hearing Mass at an SSPX chapel. It can be a theory for learned, licenced priests to ponder over, but nothing more. 

    Summorum Pontificuм is a docuмent of a man who was long ago horrified by the student rebellion of the sixties and mortified by the wilful blindness of JP2 to the depravity of Marcial Maciel and others (Benedict introduced a stable process to defrock priests which Francis crippled, giving particular attention to aiding wicked, wicked pederasts like Don Inzoli). It is far from perfect, but sadly there are so many who prefer nothing if the alternative be not perfect. Priestly and episcopal orders need to be fully restored, but SP is a start and not something to be rejected. Sede orders are themselves not without problems. The fact that Traditionis Custodis was ignored, even lightly jeered at by apparent Bergoglian allies like Cardinal Marx shows how Conciliarism is draining of authority.

    Pope Benedict lives for a great purpose. Hopefully he can somehow speak more directly rather indirectly through comments relayed by others and a strange resignation which sees him still garbed as Pope.

    +Williamson offered Masses in a hired room in a hotel near me until COVID and otherwise has used farmhouses (also SSPX chapels did the same at ever shifting times), stables and the open air. These are the catacombs of our times, and safer than graveyards as Irish Gardaí showed no shame in harassing Catholics offering prayers in one in defiance of the anti-Catholic lockdown rules.

    Forgive the excess of words, and I hope I made my points clearly. God bless you all.


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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #5 on: November 29, 2021, 07:31:36 PM »
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  • My only point was that Lenga is a Bennyvacantist.  It seems Prayerful is one as well.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #6 on: November 29, 2021, 07:47:56 PM »
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  • Isn't this pretty much what most real Traditionalists have been doing for 60 years now?
    That was the first thought that came to my mind when I saw the OP headline, though I read nothing else. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #7 on: November 29, 2021, 08:32:23 PM »
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  • That was the first thought that came to my mind when I saw the OP headline, though I read nothing else.
    I mean, having my own parish be nothing more than a somewhat modified old rural schoolbuilding seems like the "catacombs" to me.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #8 on: November 29, 2021, 10:20:42 PM »
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  • Archbishop Lenga: Catholics should now form Catacomb Churches | From Rome

    17 min. video has English subtitles. The Archbishop discusses his new book "The Bergolian Sect" and about the need for Catholic Priests and Faithful to go "underground" and not be part of the Bergolian Sect.

    Ratzinger is a modernist (heretic), even worse than Bergoglio. Bergoglio at least doesn't deceive people. Lenga, Bugnolo, Barnhardt et al. are the worst type of threat against God given reason.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #9 on: November 30, 2021, 04:26:37 PM »
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  • Any older hand or altar missal had Masses offered una cuм.....et Rege Nostro (in a 1806 hand missal which after the Mass has prayers for King George and Queen Charlotte). Our Saviour recognised Caesar under whose authority He was crucified. Catholic priests offering a Sarum Mass for a recusant family could mention Queen Elizabeth one Sunday and before next Sunday be hung, drawn and quartered under her authority. Even if sedes jeering refer to the SSPX rightly stating it is a prayer for the Pope, not an endorsement, it remains that. Benedict cleared out the pagan elements JP2 had put in his Assisi interfaith meeting, which while far from perfect, reached a minimum. Moreover, Summorum Pontificuм was a clear recognition that Montini could not, and never did abrogate the Mass. While it still put the problematic Novus Ordo rite on the same level, it gave the Mass standing. +Williamson and +Lefebvre were clear on the problems of the Novus Ordo but never held it was inherently not valid. Non una cuм was a theory advanced by +Guerard des Lauriers OP but the St Gertrude the Great priests unfortunately made it their own to frighten Catholics from hearing Mass at an SSPX chapel. It can be a theory for learned, licenced priests to ponder over, but nothing more.

    Summorum Pontificuм is a docuмent of a man who was long ago horrified by the student rebellion of the sixties and mortified by the wilful blindness of JP2 to the depravity of Marcial Maciel and others (Benedict introduced a stable process to defrock priests which Francis crippled, giving particular attention to aiding wicked, wicked pederasts like Don Inzoli). It is far from perfect, but sadly there are so many who prefer nothing if the alternative be not perfect. Priestly and episcopal orders need to be fully restored, but SP is a start and not something to be rejected. Sede orders are themselves not without problems. The fact that Traditionis Custodis was ignored, even lightly jeered at by apparent Bergoglian allies like Cardinal Marx shows how Conciliarism is draining of authority.

    Pope Benedict lives for a great purpose. Hopefully he can somehow speak more directly rather indirectly through comments relayed by others and a strange resignation which sees him still garbed as Pope.

    +Williamson offered Masses in a hired room in a hotel near me until COVID and otherwise has used farmhouses (also SSPX chapels did the same at ever shifting times), stables and the open air. These are the catacombs of our times, and safer than graveyards as Irish Gardaí showed no shame in harassing Catholics offering prayers in one in defiance of the anti-Catholic lockdown rules.

    Forgive the excess of words, and I hope I made my points clearly. God bless you all.

    Nicely stated. I wasn't aware that Traditionis Custodis is being ignored. That's a really good thing. If the authority of conciliarism is indeed draining, then there may be some hope for the next conclave. It's really odd that B16 is still garbed as Pope. He seems to consider himself as a retired Pope, or something like that. I don't understand it. 

    I like Archbishop Lenga's talk. He lived in communist-occupied Poland, so he's aware of what can happen in a totalitarian state. He seems aware of the problems in the conciliar church. The good thing about Pope Francis is that he has caused some in the conciliar church to wake up. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #10 on: November 30, 2021, 04:33:23 PM »
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  • Nicely stated. I wasn't aware that Traditionis Custodis is being ignored. That's a really good thing.

    When I was in a NO Jesuit High School, we all noted how the students had no respect for the Jesuits, and someone mentioned it.  So I remarked, "It's not surprising.  When the students see that these priests have no respect for the authority of the Church, then why would the students respect their authority?"  When these bishops around the Church see Bergoglio casting the authority of Tradition and the prior Magisterium to the wind, why should they obey him?  If +Bergoglio doesn't care about what previous popes had to say, then why should the bishops care about his anything he has to say?  Bergoglio is reaping what he himself has sown.

    Authority is hierarchical, so if any link in the chain up to God is broken, then then the entire chain of command breaks.  If you had a rogue general disobeying the Commander-in-Chief, for instance, those who used to owe him obedience are no longer obliged to obey him.  All authority comes from God, and He is the ultimate Commander In Chief.  So if Bergoglio rejects the authority of God, why should anyone obey him?

    I've actually seen this play out in many families.  When wives do not respect the authority of the head of the family, the children have no respect either for her authority or for his.



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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #11 on: December 01, 2021, 09:44:30 PM »
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  • I mean, having my own parish be nothing more than a somewhat modified old rural schoolbuilding seems like the "catacombs" to me.


    My daughter and her husband and their 7 children go to Mass here. Small world.
    Pray the Holy Rosary.

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
    « Reply #12 on: December 02, 2021, 11:59:05 PM »
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  • We should fight openly, not hide in catacombs.


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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
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  • I mean, having my own parish be nothing more than a somewhat modified old rural schoolbuilding seems like the "catacombs" to me.


    Many, many people, not just traditional Catholics, worship in humble buildings, whether in the United States or elsewhere.  On the American landscape, churches tend not always to be fancy affairs.  It means nothing --- the same Sacrifice of the Mass is confected regardless.

    There are a lot of traditionalists who would love to have Mass available to them every Sunday in such a building.

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    Re: VIDEO - ARCHBISHOP LENGA: CATHOLICS SHOULD NOW FORM CATACOMB CHURCHES
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  • Catacombs in Babylon will not save you. 

    Heed what the Lord tells us in Jeremias 51:45 and Apocalypse 18:4