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Re: Archbishop Lefebvre Speaking on the Papacy
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2021, 01:06:14 PM »
Only a liar constantly accuses others of what he himself does. You're the liar, lying about me supposedly lying. You can't debate in a fair way, as Meg said. You constantly put her down, and you do the same to everyone you disagree with. You lack charity. Even if you were right about everything, it would avail you nothing, as even faith, that has not charity, is dead, and avails nothing. You are not right about SVism/SDism whatever you think it is, and there are good reasons to think you are not. But unlike others, you can't debate decently. You do this not with one person, but with practically everyone, whom you call "idiotic/a heretic" and what not. 

Re: Archbishop Lefebvre Speaking on the Papacy
« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2021, 12:13:55 AM »
Archbishop Lefebvre on the Pope Question
 
“The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below (…) This is what has brought down upon our heads persecution by the Rome of the antichrists.” (Letter to the future bishops, 29 August 1987)

 
“Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends. Rome is in apostasy. These are not words in the air. It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy… They have left the Church… This is sure, sure, sure.” (Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône)
 
“So we are [to be] excommunicated by Modernists, by people who have been condemned by previous popes. So what can that really do? We are condemned by men who are themselves condemned…” (Press conference, Ecône, June 15 1988)
 
“…these recent acts of the Pope and bishops, with protestants, Animists and Jews, are they not an active participation in non-catholic worship as explained by Canon Naz on Canon 1258§1? In which case I cannot see how it is possible to say that the pope is not suspect of heresy, and if he continues, he is a heretic, a public heretic. That is the teaching of the Church.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)
 
“The Church which affirms such errors is both schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is therefore not Catholic.” (July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)
 
To whatever extent pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.” (July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)
 
“To be publicly associated with this sanction which is inflicted upon the six Catholic Bishops, Defenders of the Faith in its integrity and wholeness, would be for us a mark of honor and a sign of orthodoxy before the faithful. They have indeed a strict right to know that the priests who serve them are not in communion with a counterfeit church, promoting evolution, pentecostalism and syncretism. In union with these faithful, we make ours the words of the Prophet: “Præparate corda vestra Domino et servite Illi soli: et liberabit vos de manibus inimicorum vestrorum. Convertimini ad Eum in toto corde vestro, et auferte deos alienos de medio vestri—Open your hearts to the Lord and serve Him only: and He will free you from the hands of your enemies. With all your heart return to Him, and take away from your midst any strange gods” (I Kings 7:3) (SSPX District Superiors, July 6, 1988)
 
“Now some priests (even some priests in the Society) say that we Catholics need not worry about what is happening in the Vatican; we have the true sacraments, the true Mass, the true doctrine, so why worry about whether the pope is heretic or an impostor or whatever; it is of no importance to us. But I think that is not true. If any man is important in the Church it is the pope.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)
 
“If we think that this reformed liturgy is heretical and invalid, whether because of modifications made in the matter and form or because of the reformers’ intention inscribed in the new rite in opposition to the intention of the Catholic Church, evidently we cannot participate in these reformed rites because we should be taking part in a sacrilegious act. This opinion is founded on serious reasons…” (Ecône, February 24, 1977, Answers to Various Burning Questions)
 
“Heresy, schism, ipso facto excommunication, invalidity of election are so many reasons why a pope might in fact never have been pope or might no longer be one. In this, obviously very exceptional case, the Church would be in a situation similar to that which prevails after the death of a Pontiff.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)
 
 “It seems inconceivable that a successor of Peter could fail in some way to transmit the Truth which he must transmit, for he cannot – without as it were disappearing from the papal line – not transmit what the popes have always transmitted.” (Homily, Ecône, September 18, 1977)
 
If it happened that the pope was no longer the servant of the truth, he would no longer be pope.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000)
 
“While we are certain that the faith the Church has taught for 20 centuries cannot contain error, we are much further from absolute certitude that the pope is truly pope.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)
 
“It is impossible for Rome to remain indefinitely outside Tradition. It’s impossible… For the moment they are in rupture with their predecessors. This is impossible. They are no longer in the Catholic Church.” (Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône)
 
 “…a grave problem confronts the conscience and the faith of all Catholics since the beginning of Paul VI’s pontificate: how can a pope who is truly successor of Peter, to whom the assistance of the Holy Ghost has been promised, preside over the most radical and far-reaching destruction of the Church ever known, in so short a time, beyond what any heresiarch has ever achieved? This question must one day be answered… (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)
 
“We believe we can affirm, purely by internal and external criticism of Vatican II, i.e. by analysing the texts and studying the Council’s ins and outs, that by turning its back on tradition and breaking with the Church of the past, it is a schismatic council. (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)
 
We consider as null…all the post-conciliar reforms, and all the acts of Rome accomplished in this impiety.” (Joint Declaration with Bishop de Castro Mayer following Assisi, December 2, 1986)
 
“John Paul II now continually diffuses the principles of a false religion, which has for its result a general apostasy.” (Preface to Giulio Tam’s Osservatore Romano 1990, contributed by the Archbishop just three weeks before his death)
 
“This Council represents, in our view and in the view of the Roman authorities, a new Church which they call the Conciliar Church.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)
 
“To be publicly associated with the sanction [of excommunication] would be a mark of honour and a sign of orthodoxy before the faithful, who have a strict right to know that the priests they approach are not in communion with a counterfeit Church…” (Open Letter to Cardinal Gantin, July 6, 1988, signed by 24 SSPX superiors, doubtless with Archbishop Lefebvre’s approval)
 
“This union which liberal Catholics want between the Church and the Revolution is an adulterous union – adulterous. This adulterous union can only beget bastards. Where are these bastards? They are [the new] rites. The [new] rite of Mass is a bastard rite. The sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know whether they are sacraments that give grace. We no longer know if this Mass gives us the Body and the Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. (…) The priests emerging from the seminaries are bastard priests.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000.)
 
“The radical and extensive changes made in the Roman Rite of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and their resemblance to the modifications made by Luther oblige Catholics who remain loyal to their faith to question the validity of this new rite. Who better than the Reverend Father Guérard des Lauriers to make an informed contribution to resolving this problem…?” (Foreword contributed to a book in favour of the thesis of invalidity by Fr Guérard des Lauriers. Écône, February 2, 1977)
 
“…these recent acts of the Pope and bishops, with protestants, Animists and Jews, are they not an active participation in non-catholic worship as explained by Canon Naz on Canon 1258§1? In which case I cannot see how it is possible to say that the pope is not suspect of heresy, and if he continues, he is a heretic, a public heretic. That is the teaching of the Church.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)
 
Archbishop Lefebvre speaks frankly about the Pope
 
“They ask me, what do you think of the Pope? Not much, it's a mystery, an improbable mystery.It's a great tragedy for the Church, because ultimately, who's with the Pope is with the Church, is with the unity of the Church...But we have to ask the question... 
 
When we say "How is it possible that the Pope, if he's truly Pope, successor of St. Peter, he must in consequence have the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, he must be protected by the Holy Spirit in what he does, because he's the Pope we have the promise of Our Lord that he will be protected in upholding the faith...Therefore someone who does these kinds of things is not Pope...This Pope is doing things that are so contrary to the faith, against the Church, so destructive to the faith of the Church, and the Church itself.


So it's not the Pope, it's his entourage...Well, here's one solution. The Pope is a prisoner, the Pope is a martyr. The Pope is locked in, the Pope isn't free to do what he wants.  The Pope is drugged, the Pope is half-crazy, the Pope is I don't know what, he's a human wreck who is led around and manipulated. That's one solution.  It's a solution that I'd say is astonishingly supported by many visionaries, These visions of those who say that the Holy Father is a prisoner, that the Holy Father is somehow incapable, that he's drugged, I'd say they are diabolical in origin.
 
For thirteen years that he's been there he has no responsibility for anything.  They've locked this man up and then eventually we get to the point where there's another Pope who is imprisoned under the Vatican, these visions. then they've given him a double and other things like this are just crazy, crazy, crazy, no? Idiotic, completely idiotic, aren't they, and all of this is very smart on the part of the devil because this sways a certain amount of people, right, who are always saying: The Pope! The Pope! The Pope!  No, no no, don't; speak to me about the Pope!
 
Be obedient! Be obedient! I beg you, I beg you, it's his entourage, it's not him.
 
“But I will say you can also look at the problem from another angel and say: good, ultimately I agree with you, it's not possible that the Pope who is protected by the Holy Ghost, by the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, could do things like this. There we agree, it's not possible, it doesn't fit, this destruction of the Church, this destruction of the Social Reign of Christ the King, this destruction of the Catholic faith in every aspect, every catechism, every university, every religious order, the seminaries, everywhere you look it is the systematic destruction of the Church, which was aimed at by all of these reforms that the Vatican implemented…”
 
This reasoning is worth, this reasoning, I don't know, I don't say that's what's going on and there are several scenarios, maybe this one has some merit, we'll know the truth later maybe, I don't know, I don't know. The way I see it, it's not clear yet, you understand, but one day if it came to light that it was true, and this is something that is far from impossible, here also, there are apparitions that say the same thing and these apparitions have been recognized by the See of Peter, Fatima, La Salette, that say that the devil will climb to the highest places in the Church, I don't know if by the "highest place in the Church" that means Secretary of State, and then stops there, or if it goes even farther, if it goes all the way to the Pope. I don't know maybe even to someone who says he's the Pope, I don't know, but you know this is something that isn't impossible and theologians have studied this problem, the theologians have studied this problem to see if it's something that can happen, if a Pope can perhaps be a heretic and as a result excommunicated from the Church and therefore all his acts become illegitimate and invalid. And if, just as a hypothesis, once again I just don't know, don't put words in my mouth, I don't know, but if at last it comes out that quietly that there are certain connections to Masonry, imagine that the Pope was registered in a Masonic lodge before his election, he would be excommunicated. 
 
Excommunicated... His election is invalid, he can't be Pope and we would have had for all this time... A Pope who wasn't Pope. This is possible. Once again I don't say this is what is really happening but what do you want in a situation like this, we're looking for a solution. We find ourselves with a problem that has almost no theological solution, theologically, I say theologically almost impossible to solve, so we search for a solution, fine!  
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqgcCujfQF0
Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist
by Rev. Anthony Cekada. Abp. Lefebvre made many statements favoring sedevacantism, but SSPX and Salza/Siscoe cover this up in their anti-sede screed, True or False Pope. Fr. Cekada provides a selection of the archbishop's own words on the topic, and sets them in their historical context. www.SGGResources.org www.FatherCekada.com
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Re: Archbishop Lefebvre Speaking on the Papacy
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2021, 12:17:12 AM »
Sola Ex Cathedra is every bit as much a heresy as Sola Scriptura
1.)   Sola Ex Cathedra (Popes are only infallible when making
an ex cathedra definition) is a heresy of semi-Trads.
2.)   Sola Scriptura (only the Bible is infallible) is a heresy of Protestants.
 
If the Popes could at times teach heresy, how would we know when they are teaching truth or error?  We would have to be the superior of the Pope to decide when he is teaching the truth and when he is teaching falsehood…that is a complete prideful delusion!
 
 
OBJECTION # 1: Vatican I said the Pope is only infallible when speaking Ex Cathedra
 
ANSWER # 1: While it is true that Ex Cathedra statements are infallible; it is absolutely NOT true that Ex Cathedra statements are the ONLY times Popes are infallible. Vatican I infallibly declares:
 
The First Vatican Council  
Dogmatic Constitution of Vatican I,Pastor Aeternus    
Pope Pius IX, July 18, 1870 A.D.    
  
“Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.    
  
“This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine.”    
 
The First Vatican Council    
Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Dei Filius    
Pope Pius IX, 24 April 1870 A.D.    
  
“Wherefore, by divine and Catholic faith all those things are to be believed which are contained in the word of God as found in Scripture and tradition, and which are proposed by the Church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by her solemn judgment or in her ordinary and universal magisterium.”   
  
Humani Generis     
On Modern Errors     
Pope Pius XII – August 12, 1950     
  
Paragraph 20: “Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority (magisterio ordinario), of which it is true to say: “He who heareth you, heareth me…”  (Lk. 10:16)   
 
Notice above in Humani Generis, Pope Pius XII infallibly teaches that    
 
  • Encyclical Letters are the Ordinary Magisterium, "of which it is true to say: “He who heareth you, heareth me…”  (Lk. 10:16)    
  • So if we admit that Christ is infallible   
  • Then we must admit that Encyclicals and the Ordinary Magisterium are infallible.  
 
OBJECTION # 2: The Vatican II Popes must be true Popes because otherwise Christ’s promise of always being with us would be false.
ANSWER # 2: Actually, the exact opposite is true, the Vatican II Popes must be anti-popes because Christ promised to ALWAYS be with His Church and that His Church would never teach any error or heresy.
How could you square: "I will be with you all days." with the supposed fact that Roncalli thru Bergoglio ARE true popes...then Christ's promised would have failed, then He would have allowed His Church to fail, He would have allowed His Church to be a vehicle of error and damnation.
 
But on the other hand, if Roncalli thru Bergoglio are antipopes, then the Church is still indefectible, it simply hasn't had a valid pope since 1958...but at least the Church and a true Pope wouldn't be propagators of error and heresy!
 
To put it another way, it is possible to have antipopes and interregnums (https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/fr-edmund-james-oreilly-s-j-on-the-idea-of-a-long-term-vacancy-of-the-holy-see/), but it is not possible to have valid popes who teach heresy in Ecuмenical Councils and Encyclicals.
 
Here is another article that answers this objection:  
 
OBJECTION: Vatican Council I taught that St. Peter has perpetual successors; therefore, long vacancies in the See of Peter are not possible.
 
ANSWER: Nowhere does the Church determine how long a vacancy may exist in the See of Peter. Between the death of Pope Clement IV (November 29, 1268) and the election of Pope Gregory X (September 1, 1271), there was an interregnum of nearly three years. During the Western Schism, there were three claimants to the See of Peter; theologians teach that even if none of them were pope, that would not be against the promise of Christ or the teaching of perpetual successors.
 
Proof:
A. Institutiones Theologiae Fundamentalis [1929], Rev. A. Dorsch
— “The Church therefore is a society that is essentially monarchical. But this does not prevent the Church, for a short time after the death of a pope, or even for many years, from remaining deprived of her head [vel etiam per plures annos capite suo destituta manet].”
B. The Relations of the Church to Society [1882], Fr. Edward J. O’Reilly, S.J.
— “In the first place, there was all throughout from the death of Gregory XI in 1378, a Pope—with the exception, of course, of the intervals between deaths and elections to fill up the vacancies thereby created. There was, I say, at every given time a Pope, really invested with the dignity of Vicar of Christ and Head of the Church, whatever opinions might exist among many as to his genuineness; not that an interregnum covering the whole period would have been impossible or inconsistent with the promises of Christ, for this is by no means manifest, but that, as a matter of fact, there was not such an interregnum.”
C. The Catholic’s Ready Answer [1915], Rev. M. P. Hill, S.J.
— “If during the entire schism (nearly 40 years) there had been no Pope at all—that would not prove that the office and authority of Peter was not transmitted to the next Pope duly elected.”
D. The Defense of the Catholic Church [1927] Fr. Francis X. Doyle, S.J.
— “The Church is a visible society with a visible Ruler. If there can be any doubt about who that visible Ruler is, he is not visible, and hence, where there is any doubt about whether a person has been legitimately elected Pope, that doubt must be removed before he can become the visible head of Christ’s Church. Blessed Bellarmine, S.J., says: ‘A doubtful Pope must be considered as not Pope’; and Suarez, S.J., says: ‘At the time of the Council of Constance there were three men claiming to be Pope…. Hence, it could have been that not one of them was the true Pope, and in that case, there was no Pope at all….’”
https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/answering-the-objections-to-the-sedevacantist-position/
TAKE A STEP BACK AND CONSIDER:
 
If the Popes could at times teach heresy, how would we know when they are teaching truth or error?  We would have to be the superior of the Pope to decide when he is teaching the truth and when he is teaching falsehood…that is a complete prideful delusion!
 
Just think for a moment and you will realize how absurd it is to maintain that Roncalli thru Bergoglio are true Popes.
 
1.)   If Popes could teach error and heresy in Encyclicals and Ecuмenical Councils then why would we believe in the Trinity, maybe the Council of Nicea got that wrong?
 
2.)   If true Popes could teach error and heresy in "Dogmatic Constitutions" of Ecuмenical Councils, why would we believe in Purgatory or that there are 7 Sacraments, maybe the Council of Trent just got those things wrong?
 
3.)   If true Popes could teach error and heresy in their Ordinary Magisterium as long as it isn't an ex cathedra statement, why would we believe that contraception is evil, that is not an Ex Cathedra statement, that is just taught in simple Encyclicals, maybe the Casti Connubbii
 
4.)   If true Popes could teach error and heresy in their Ordinary Magisterium as long as it isn't an ex cathedra statement, why would we believe that any of the Saints, like St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Alphonsus Ligouri, St. Benedict, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Anthony Padua, St. Theresa of Avila, St. Magaret Mary Alocoque, etc. are real Saints, if the Church could error in Canonizations maybe the above Saints are just as fake as "St. John XXIII," "St. Paul VI" and "St. John Paul?"
 
5.)   If true Popes could promulgate, approve and decree evil liturgies like the Novus Ordo, why would we go to the Traditional Latin Mass...maybe that is an evil liturgy approved and promulgated by Pope Pius V?
 
OBJECTION # 3: We need to be so grateful for ____(fill in the blank: the SSPX, the Resistance, the FSSP, etc.) they give us the Sacraments and preach the Faith in its entirety to us!
 
ANSWER # 3:  Do they preach that Ecuмenical Councils are ALWAYS infallible and that Encyclicals are ALWAYS infallible?
 
If not, then that is not the Faith in its entirety, it is a betrayal of some essential dogmas of the faith:
 
What Does the Magisterium Teach?
Humility is the path both to being a Catholic & to saving our soul.
 
1.)   Heretics pick & choose which Magisterial teachings they accept & which they reject.
2.)   Heretics judge for themselves (aka private judgment), they think they know better than the Magisterium.
3.)   Heretics make themselves into their own popes, deciding which Magisterial teachings are true and which are false.
 
1.)   Catholics do NOT pick & choose which Magisterial teachings to accept & which to reject, they MUST simply accept them all.
2.)   Catholics do NOT judge for themselves (aka private judgment), they do NOT think they know better than the Magisterium.
3.)   Catholics do NOT make themselves into their own popes, deciding which Magisterial teachings are true and which are false.
 
Can you rebut the following by using infallible quotes from the Magisterium?  If not, then shouldn't we believe exactly what Vatican I, Humani Generis and Mortalium Animos teach?   
 
1.)   You, nor I, nor the SSPX, nor the Resistance, nor Archbishop Lefebvre are infallible. 
2.)   The Catholic Church is infallible. 
3.)   The “…See of St. Peter ALWAYS remains unblemished by any error.” (Vatican I) It was given a “gift of truth and NEVER failing faith.” 
4.)   The Solemn Magisterium is infallible. (Vatican I)
5.)   The Ordinary Magisterium is infallible. (Humani Generis)
6.)   Encyclicals and Ecuмenical Councils are infallible.
7.)   “…the power to teach, govern and administer the Sacraments, derive their supernatural efficacy and force of the building up of the body of Christ from the fact that Jesus Christ, hanging on the Cross, opened up to His Church the fountain of those divine gifts, which prevent her from ever teaching false doctrine.” (Mystici Corporis Christi) 
8.)   Vatican II is heretical and countless subsequent Encyclicals of the V2 popes are heretical, (http://www.holyromancatholicchurch.org/heresies.html), therefore it is not possible for Roncalli thru Bergoglio to be Popes, because Vatican I infallibly teaches: 
 
The First Vatican Council  
Dogmatic Constitution of Vatican I,Pastor Aeternus    
Pope Pius IX, July 18, 1870 A.D.    
  
“Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.    
  
“This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine.”    
 
The First Vatican Council    
Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Dei Filius    
Pope Pius IX, 24 April 1870 A.D.    
  
“Wherefore, by divine and Catholic faith all those things are to be believed which are contained in the word of God as found in Scripture and tradition, and which are proposed by the Church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by her solemn judgment or in her ordinary and universal magisterium.”   
  
Humani Generis     
On Modern Errors     
Pope Pius XII – August 12, 1950     
  
Paragraph 20: “Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority (magisterio ordinario), of which it is true to say: “He who heareth you, heareth me…”  (Lk. 10:16)   
 
Notice above in Humani Generis, Pope Pius XII infallibly teaches that    
 
  • Encyclical Letters are the Ordinary Magisterium, "of which it is true to say: “He who heareth you, heareth me…”  (Lk. 10:16)    
  • So if we admit that Christ is infallible   
  • Then we must admit that Encyclicals and the Ordinary Magisterium are infallible.  
 
Mortalium Animos, Encyclical by Pope Pius XI, 1928  
 
“The Magisterium of the Church (“Ecclesia Magisterium”) which in the divine wisdom was constituted on earth in order that revealed doctrines might remain intact forever, and that they might be brought with ease and security to the knowledge of men, … is daily exercised [cotidie exerceturthrough the Roman Pontiff and the Bishops who are in communion with him.” (Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, 1928)  
  
Note Well: The Teaching Authority (Magisterium) of the Church is exercised every day…not just in extraordinary circuмstances, so there is no way to maintain that Vatican II and 62 years worth of Encyclicals and Catechisms from 1958-2020 weren’t the Magisterium of the Church…the Church’s Magisterium is incapable of teaching heresies…thus it is proof positive that John XXIII – Francis are not now/have never been, true Popes.  
 
Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi, June 29, 1943:  
 
22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. “For in one spirit” says the Apostle, “were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free.” 17 As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. 18 And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered — so the Lord commands — as a heathen and a publican19 It follows that those are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.  
 
23. Nor must one imagine that the Body of the Church, just because it bears the name of Christ, is made up during the days of its earthly pilgrimage only of members conspicuous for their holiness, or that it consists only of those whom God has predestined to eternal happiness. it is owing to the Savior’s infinite mercy that place is allowed in His Mystical Body here below for those whom, of old, He did not exclude from the banquet. For not every offense, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church,as does schism or heresy or apostasy.  
 
31. Just as at the first moment of the Incarnation the Son of the Eternal Father adorned with the fullness of the Holy Spirit the human nature which was substantially united to Him, that it might be a fitting instrument of the Divinity in the sanguinary work of the Redemption, so at the hour of His precious death He willed that His Church should be enriched with the abundant gifts of the Paraclete in order that in dispensing the divine fruits of the Redemption she might be, for the Incarnate Word, a powerful instrument that would never fail. For both the juridical mission of the Church, and the power to teach, govern and administer the Sacraments, derive their supernatural efficacy and force of the building up of the body of Christ from the fact that Jesus Christ, hanging on the Cross, opened up to His Church the fountain of those divine gifts, which prevent her from ever teaching false doctrine and enable her to rule them for the salvation of their souls through divinely enlightened pastors and to bestow on them an abundance of heavenly graces.