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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2023, 11:40:43 AM »
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    • The Ulma family: a remarkable beatification of martyrdom - Vatican News

    Tragedy struck when the Ulmas were denounced and betrayed. nαzι forces stormed their home, and their attic, where they had concealed their Jєωιѕн friends, became a site of horror. Josef and Wiktoria were executed in front of their children, with Wiktoria being seven months pregnant.

    Sounds like the baby was not born.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #31 on: September 18, 2023, 11:54:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on September 18, 2023, 10:12:24 AM
    Who cares what the Vatican says or does???  They have neither Faith nor Authority and everyone that is in Traddieland is in Traddieland precisely because this is the case.  What they say is meaningless; what they do is meaningless; they are so much fuel for the fire.

    Yes, we all know that this was political.  It had nothing to with the family and everything to do with the Jews they were protecting from the "h0Ɩ0cαųst."  So, yeah, not even worth arguing about.
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    Offline C8Trad

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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #32 on: September 18, 2023, 12:13:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 18, 2023, 11:40:43 AM
    The Ulma family: a remarkable beatification of martyrdom - Vatican News

    Tragedy struck when the Ulmas were denounced and betrayed. nαzι forces stormed their home, and their attic, where they had concealed their Jєωιѕн friends, became a site of horror. Josef and Wiktoria were executed in front of their children, with Wiktoria being seven months pregnant.

    Sounds like the baby was not born.
    it sure does.  Now you can understand why the Vatican had to come out and correct the report by clarifying that she actually went into early labor and delivered the baby, lest anyone would conclude that “the Vatican was set to beatify the first unborn child.”

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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #33 on: September 18, 2023, 12:20:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 18, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
    Yes, we all know that this was political. It had nothing to do with the family and everything to do with the Jєωs they were protecting

    And how exactly do you know that?  Was that also the motive for canonizing St. Maximillian Colby?
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #34 on: September 18, 2023, 01:32:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: C8Trad on September 18, 2023, 12:37:20 PM
    That’s the same thing my Protestant neighbor says. If I didn’t know better, I would think you were him

    :sleep:
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #35 on: September 18, 2023, 01:45:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: C8Trad on September 18, 2023, 12:13:29 PM
    it sure does.  Now you can understand why the Vatican had to come out and correct the report by clarifying that she actually went into early labor and delivered the baby, lest anyone would conclude that “the Vatican was set to beatify the first unborn child.”
    Do you have a link to the Vatican clarification?  Because so far all I've read is that it was clarified (by the Vatican). 
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #36 on: September 18, 2023, 03:10:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: C8Trad on September 18, 2023, 12:20:35 PM
    And how exactly do you know that?  Was that also the motive for canonizing St. Maximillian Colby?

    We all know, Sean.  Novus Ordo "canonizations" are done for political reasons.  Undoubtedly that's a large part of why they canonized Maximilian Colby also.  Now, this does not preclude that some of their candidates did not actually also possess heroic virtue, but heroic virtue is no longer a requirement for "canonization" in the Novus Ordo.
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #37 on: September 18, 2023, 07:10:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on September 18, 2023, 01:35:43 AM
    the obligation of baptism was only instituted after the resurrection.
    So? God can still sanctify one before birth:

    Quote from: C8Trad on September 18, 2023, 11:30:18 AM
    One last point is that infants can be sanctified in the womb. The Blessed Mother, John the Baptist and Jeremiah are three examples that St. Thomas gives.
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #38 on: September 19, 2023, 01:49:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 18, 2023, 07:10:20 PM
    So? God can still sanctify one before birth:
    All three examples of people before the institution of baptism.
    Do you even think before you post or?
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #39 on: September 19, 2023, 01:51:14 AM »
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #40 on: September 19, 2023, 06:20:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 18, 2023, 03:10:40 PM
    We all know, Sean.  Novus Ordo "canonizations" are done for political reasons.  Undoubtedly that's a large part of why they canonized Maximilian Colby also.  Now, this does not preclude that some of their candidates did not actually also possess heroic virtue, but heroic virtue is no longer a requirement for "canonization" in the Novus Ordo.
    Not sure who he was, but it looks like C8Trad is no longer in the Member List.  Ban?  Given the topic here, I was actually thinking of another former poster who was banned.
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #41 on: September 19, 2023, 05:45:21 PM »
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #42 on: September 20, 2023, 07:07:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on September 19, 2023, 01:49:54 AM
    All three examples of people before the institution of baptism.
    God is not limited by the sacraments He instituted.
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    Re: Vatican Set to Beatify Unborn Child
    « Reply #43 on: September 20, 2023, 08:06:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 20, 2023, 07:07:50 PM
    God is not limited by the sacraments He instituted.
    God is not a liar. Unless a man be born again of water and spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Answer me this;
    Can God flood the earth again?
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