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Vatican Promoting Aliens
« on: July 11, 2022, 04:36:02 PM »
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  • Jesuit Fr. Guy Consolmagno, the new president of the Vatican Observatory Foundation, further discussed possibility of alien life forms in a video published Sept. 19, 2014.

    He matter of factly tells us it is only a matter of time before alien life forms are discovered. I wonder what he knows that we don’t know?!

    And he notes that this discovery will raise questions about God's relationship to intelligent beings outside our planet. But we shouldn’t get upset, he tells us, because the discovery of alien life will not prove or disprove the existence of God. The only questions it will raise is how salvation relates to aliens, or other “intelligent species.”

    In short, instead of warning us about the danger of these aliens as devils, which is what the evidence leads Catholics to believe, we are being told to not be afraid and accept them as something “ordinary,” just another intelligent species.

    This would echo the words of Pope Francis who also mentioned alien life forms in one of his sermons, and suggested that even Martians, should they visit Earth, would be welcomed to be baptized.


    Consolmagno is set to be awarded the Carl Sagan Medal from the Division of Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in November for his work in communicating planetary science to the general public.

    The new Vatican Observatory president is also planning to lead a faith and astronomy workshop for clergy, religious and laypeople in January in Tucson, Arizona.


    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B735_Alien.html

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B674_UFO.html
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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #1 on: July 11, 2022, 05:07:28 PM »
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  • He matter of factly tells us it is only a matter of time before alien life forms are discovered. I wonder what he knows that we don’t know?!

    Either he knows nothing (and is basing this assertion on his confidence in modern atheistic science) or else he's in on the coming deception.


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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #2 on: July 11, 2022, 07:31:55 PM »
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    more heresy from another vatican astronomer

    I'd love to baptise ET, says Vatican's stargazer

    By David Derbyshire

    The Pope's Astronomer, Guy Consolmagno, says that intelligent life elsewhere is probable, but believes that we are unlikely ever to encounter it

    The Pope's Astronomer, Guy Consolmagno, says that intelligent life elsewhere is probable, but believes that we are unlikely ever to encounter it

    Intelligent aliens may be living among the stars and are likely to have souls, a senior Vatican scientist said yesterday.

    The Pope's astronomer, Guy Consolmagno, said he would be happy to 'baptise an al ien' - but admitted that the chances of communicating with life outside the Earth were low.

    Speaking at the British Science Festival in Birmingham, Dr Consolmagno also dismissed Creationism and claimed that the revival of 'intelligent design' - the controversial theory that only God can explain gaps in the theory of evolution - was 'bad theology'.

    Dr Consolmagno, one of a team of 12 astronomers working for the Vatican, said the Catholic Church had been supporting and funding science for centuries.

    A self-confessed science fiction fan, he said he was 'comfortable' with the idea of alien life.

    Asked if he would baptise an alien, he replied: 'Only if they asked.'

    He added: 'I'd be delighted if we found life elsewhere and delighted if we found intelligent life elsewhere.

    In the middle ages, the definition of a soul was to have intelligence, free will, freedom to love and freedom to make decisions, he said.

    Those characteristics may not be unique to humans.

    'Any entity - no matter how many tentacles it has - has a soul,' he added.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1312922/Pope-astronomer-Guy-Consolmagno-Aliens-souls-living-stars.html#ixzz2xfO7pp3i
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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #3 on: July 11, 2022, 07:34:47 PM »
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  • Jesuit Vatican astronomer pushes "Jesus Seed" panspermia theory
    « on: May 04, 2021, 04:22:59 PM »






    Vatican Astronomer and Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno gave an interview with the Sunday Herald. That article pointed out how Consolmagno’s job included reconciling “the wildest reaches of science fiction with the flint-eyed dogma of the Holy See” and that his latest mental meander was about “the Jesus Seed,” described as “a brain-warping theory which speculates that, perhaps, every planet that harbours intelligent, self-aware life may also have had a Christ walk across its methane seas, just as Jesus did here on Earth in Galilee. The salvation of the Betelguesians may have happened simultaneously with the salvation of the Earthlings.”[ii]This sounds like a sanctified version of panspermia—the idea that life on Earth was “seeded” by something a long time ago, such as an asteroid impact—but in this case, “the seed” was divinely appointed and reconciled to Christ.

    The curious connection between the Vatican’s spokespersons and the question of extraterrestrials and salvation was further hinted at in the May 2008 L’Osservatore Romano interview with Father Funes in an article titled “The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother.” In the English translation of the Italian feature, Funes responds to the question of whether extraterrestrials would need to be redeemed, which he believes should not be assumed. “God was made man in Jesus to save us,” he says. “If other intelligent beings exist, it is not said that they would have need of redemption. They could remain in full friendship with their Creator.”[iii]

    By “full friendship,” Funes reflected how some Vatican theologians accept the possibility that an extraterrestrial species may exist that is morally superior to men—closer to God than we fallen humans are—and that, as a consequence, they may come here to evangelize us. Father Guy Consolmagno took up this same line of thinking when he wrote in his book, Brother Astronomer: Adventures of a Vatican Scientist:

    So the question of whether or not one should evangelize is really a moot point. Any alien we find will learn and change from contact with us, just as we will learn and change from contact with them. It’s inevitable. And they’ll be evangelizing us, too.[iv]

    But hold on, as this disturbing rabbit hole goes much deeper: In a paper for the Interdisciplinary Encyclopedia of Religion and Science website, Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti—an Opus Dei theologian of the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome—explains just how we could actually be evangelized during contact with “spiritual aliens,” as every believer in God would, he argues, greet an extraterrestrial civilization as an extraordinary experience and would be inclined to respect the alien and recognize the common origin of our different species as being from the same Creator. According to Giuseppe, this contact by nonterrestrial intelligence would then offer new possibilities “of better understanding the relationship between God and the whole of creation.”[v] Giuseppe states this would not immediately oblige the Christian “to renounce his own faith in God simply on the basis of the reception of new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations,”[vi] but that such a renunciation could come soon after as the new “religious content” originating from outside the Earth is confirmed as reasonable and credible. “Once the trustworthiness of the information has been verified,” the believer would have to “reconcile such new information with the truth that he or she already knows and believes on the basis of the revelation of the One and Triune God, conducting a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data.”[vii] How this “more complete” ET gospel might deemphasize or significantly modify our understanding of salvation through Jesus Christ is discussed in the Exotheology section of this book, but former Vatican observatory vice director, Christopher Corbally, in his article, “What if There Were Other Inhabited Worlds?” may have summarized the most important aspect when he concluded that Jesus simply might not remain the only Word of salvation: “I would try to explore the alien by letting ‘it’ be what it is, without rushing for a classification category, not even presuming two genders,” Corbally said, before dropping this bombshell:

    While Christ is the First and the Last Word (the Alpha and the Omega) spoken to humanity, he is not necessarily the only word spoke to the universe… For, the Word spoken to us does not seem to exclude an equivalent “Word” spoken to aliens. They, too, could have had their “Logos-event”. Whatever that event might have been, it does not have to be a repeated death-and-resurrection, if we allow God more imagination than some religious thinkers seem to have had. For God, as omnipotent, is not restricted to one form of language, the human.[viii]

    That high-ranking spokespersons for the Vatican have in recent years increasingly offered such language acknowledging the likelihood of extraterrestrial intelligence and the dramatic role ET’s introduction to human civilization could play in regard to altering established creeds about anthropology, philosophy, religion, and redemption may become more future-consequential than most are prepared for.

    See more:
    https://www.skywatchtv.com/2021/04/29/deception2/


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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #4 on: July 11, 2022, 08:35:32 PM »
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  • Much of this comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what the universe is, how God created it (Book of Genesis and not the Big Bang fairy tale which is scientifically impossible). Modernist thinking in apostate Rome. 
    Time to get metaphysical with St. Thomas Aquinas to straighten them out.
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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #5 on: July 12, 2022, 07:30:26 PM »
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  • This is a good doc on the subject of the potential Alien deception on the horizon
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Fdga1FN80lYA/
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #6 on: July 13, 2022, 11:58:55 AM »
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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #7 on: July 13, 2022, 04:22:44 PM »
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  • Jesuit Fr. Guy Consolmagno, the new president of the Vatican Observatory Foundation, further discussed possibility of alien life forms in a video published Sept. 19, 2014.

    He matter of factly tells us it is only a matter of time before alien life forms are discovered. I wonder what he knows that we don’t know?!

    And he notes that this discovery will raise questions about God's relationship to intelligent beings outside our planet. But we shouldn’t get upset, he tells us, because the discovery of alien life will not prove or disprove the existence of God. The only questions it will raise is how salvation relates to aliens, or other “intelligent species.”

    In short, instead of warning us about the danger of these aliens as devils, which is what the evidence leads Catholics to believe, we are being told to not be afraid and accept them as something “ordinary,” just another intelligent species.

    This would echo the words of Pope Francis who also mentioned alien life forms in one of his sermons, and suggested that even Martians, should they visit Earth, would be welcomed to be baptized.


    Consolmagno is set to be awarded the Carl Sagan Medal from the Division of Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in November for his work in communicating planetary science to the general public.

    The new Vatican Observatory president is also planning to lead a faith and astronomy workshop for clergy, religious and laypeople in January in Tucson, Arizona.


    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B735_Alien.html

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B674_UFO.html
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    Lol. I could not stop laughing after seeing this cartoon.  :laugh2:


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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #8 on: July 13, 2022, 05:54:14 PM »
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  • Lol. I could not stop laughing after seeing this cartoon.  :laugh2:
    Me, too!  I wondered how long it would take for someone else to find it funny.

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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #9 on: July 14, 2022, 01:50:53 PM »
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  • This is a good doc on the subject of the potential Alien deception on the horizon
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Fdga1FN80lYA/
    Video is good until it gets to Our Lady of Fatima, which it dismisses as demonic.
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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #10 on: July 14, 2022, 01:56:58 PM »
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  • Video is good until it gets to Our Lady of Fatima, which it dismisses as demonic.
    Yes, I forgot about that absolutely retarded point. Although I did find it interesting that Our Lady may have been implicitly warning of such a deception through the miracle of the sun.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #11 on: July 14, 2022, 02:19:37 PM »
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  • Maybe Francis is the extraterrestrial here, in which case I would say…….
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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #12 on: July 14, 2022, 02:55:39 PM »
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  • Some of this confusion goes back to Immanuel Kant, who believed in life on other planets and so forth, and built up an imposing system of philosophy, or metaphysics, to support his crackpot ideas. He called his system a "second Copernican revolution" and that says a lot. Giordano Bruno had the same Copernican confusions.

    Extra-human intelligence and life is not the false idea, of course. The false idea is around heliocentrism, and that the Earth is not at rest at the center of the cosmos by the order of Almighty God. Along with heliocentrism follow the scientific materialism, existentialism, communism, absurdism, skepticism, and chaos of great big money of the Feral Rezerve Bank, and the Syfy channel pulp fictions about "aliens", etc.

    Aristotle, for example, who was geocentric, believed in the intelligences of the spheres, the spheres of the heavens, which is not a bad explanation of some metaphysical questions, but it's not the same theme as the aliens or life on other planets. Only a student of nature, and without bad intent, Aristotle was not involved in ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic conspiracy or witchcraft, and as he wasn't possessed by a deceiving spirit, he made better sense than a lot of people today.



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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #13 on: July 14, 2022, 05:08:34 PM »
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  • Is there a doctrine of the church or something along those lines that condemns the belief in alien life? While I'm not a firm believer in any way, with the universe as big as it is, I would find it hard to believe that earth is the only planet with God's creations on it.

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    Re: Vatican Promoting Aliens
    « Reply #14 on: July 14, 2022, 05:14:21 PM »
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  • Is there a doctrine of the church or something along those lines that condemns the belief in alien life? While I'm not a firm believer in any way, with the universe as big as it is, I would find it hard to believe that earth is the only planet with God's creations on it.
    the Bible teaches implicitly that the only things He created with intelligence are the angels, man, and the animals.