Author Topic: Vatican Official to Join in Ceremony With Lutherans (Read 2558 times)

umblehay anmay · « **on:** January 23, 2011, 09:51:37 PM »

I need not add anything to this ...
http://catholic.net/index.php?option=zenit&id=31524

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:58:40 PM »

What ever happened to the infallible teaching "there is no
salvation outside of the church."
The Pope should be converting the Lutherans to the
true faith, not by giving scandal by joining them in any
ceremony.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2011, 11:33:52 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

The Pope should be converting the Lutherans to the
true faith, not by giving scandal by joining them in any
ceremony.

Ratzinger would need to convert to the true Faith before he could convert anyone else to it.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:49:42 AM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

What ever happened to the infallible teaching "there is no salvation outside of the church." The Pope should be converting the Lutherans to the true faith, not by giving scandal by joining them in any ceremony.

You have not been paying attention. Those teachings were for a former time. The Church has evolved since then and no longer needs to fear other religions.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:25:52 AM »

And yet some still insist he is a true pope!!! May God forgive them.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:28:13 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

And yet some still insist he is a true pope!!! May God forgive them.

I don't know why you have been saying this in just about all of your posts lately, but it is not a sin if someone does NOT believe Benedict is an anti-pope. Not to sound rude, but you need to stop saying this on every thread that talks about Benedict. Whether you are trying to start up a fight or not, this will probably end up starting one either way.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:30:00 PM »

As far as my take on this subject, I really am not that surprised. It's amazing how this rubbish appears right in front of the very eyes of people, and yet so many cannot recognize what is happening! They have a spiritual veil over their heads.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2011, 03:35:59 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: MyrnaM
And yet some still insist he is a true pope!!! May God forgive them.

I don't know why you have been saying this in just about all of your posts lately, but it is not a sin if someone does NOT believe Benedict is an anti-pope. Not to sound rude, but you need to stop saying this on every thread that talks about Benedict. Whether you are trying to start up a fight or not, this will probably end up starting one either way.

The reason is, lately, I sincerely do not understand the reason, that is why I have been asking.

An anti-pope is a person claiming to be or elected pope in opposition to the one chosen by church law. So then if these VII popes are anti-popes who are they opposing? No one, therefore the chair is empty because they are not opposing anyone. There is no one to oppose!

They are not anti-popes but no pope of anykind.

If they are not anti-popes they must be true popes, or no pope. So pick one, which one fits the definition.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:06:47 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

If they are not anti-popes they must be true popes, or no pope. So pick one, which one fits the definition.

Antipopes of the past did not implicitly deny practically every doctrine of the Faith.

Most of them probably had the Catholic Faith.

They were often men who genuinely believed they were Pope.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:39:30 PM »

I agree, and that is exactly my point, these "pope" since Vatican II are not anti popes, some here give them too much credit.

copticruiser · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:22:21 PM »

Is someone saying all popes past vat11 are not real popes? Did Jesus not have 12 disciples yet we all know Judas betrayed Jesus. Whether the popes do their job (which is to protect the deposit of faith and be the vicar of christ) or not that is up to God whether or not he stays in power or not. Every breath we take is a gift from God whatever these popes do or dont do that is for them to render an account. As for me he is my pope, the succession of Peter has not been broken. Whatever person in authority who does not speak or behave or teach like a catholic I simply do not follow or adhere to. We have the teachings and traditions of the Holy Catholic Church so we have lots to lean on. Those are my sentiments, Annie

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:06:39 PM »

Quote from: copticruiser

Whatever person in authority who does not speak or behave or teach like a catholic I simply do not follow or adhere to.

Hi Annie,

Benedict does not speak or behave or teach like a Catholic.

Maybe you have not noticed, or do you choose not to follow or adhere to him?

Oremus · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:16:10 PM »

As someone who is still on the fence regarding the "status" of the current Pope, I have to ask: is this event, in and of itself, enough to determine that Benedict XVI is not the Pope? In other words, is this considered heresy? Modernism? EENS? What is the official term one would use to argue this point?

This is a genuine question as I'm trying to understand. I know that this type of "ecuмenical service" really bothers me, but I don't why "officially."

Does that make sense?

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2011, 10:54:07 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
What ever happened to the infallible teaching "there is no salvation outside of the church." The Pope should be converting the Lutherans to the true faith, not by giving scandal by joining them in any ceremony.

You have not been paying attention. Those teachings were for a former time. The Church has evolved since then and no longer needs to fear other religions.

Traditional Catholics will consider this HERESY. The Church
does not evolve. She is unchangeable

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umblehay anmay · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:08:31 PM »

Quote from: Oremus

As someone who is still on the fence regarding the "status" of the current Pope, I have to ask: is this event, in and of itself, enough to determine that Benedict XVI is not the Pope? In other words, is this considered heresy? Modernism? EENS? What is the official term one would use to argue this point?

This is a genuine question as I'm trying to understand. I know that this type of "ecuмenical service" really bothers me, but I don't why "officially."

Does that make sense?

I hope this helps....

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 10), Jan. 6, 1928: “… this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics…”1

Canon 1258.1, 1917 Code of Canon Law: “It is not licit for the faithful by any manner to assist actively or to have a part in the sacred rites of non-Catholics.”6