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Vatican-Noahide Pact
« on: May 17, 2022, 12:22:46 AM »
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  • I can't read well enough to verify this with the info in the linked docuмents (posted below).  Can anyone here help please?

    I fully expect trads will be martyred by the Concilliar Church at some point.







    The Vatican has officially stated that the Noahide Laws come from the Bible, that they are incuмbent upon all mankind, and that they supersede individual freedoms. [1][2] The Pontifical Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue has stated that establishing Noahide norms in society is a Biblical duty. [3] Catholic Online says Jesus obligated the nations in the Noahide Laws. [4] The Jesuit Review has hosted Noahidist speakers. [5]. The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem has interviewed Noahidist Rabbis. [6] Jєωs have used abortion as a wedge to bring the Noahide debate to the American Life League and to EWTN .com. [7] A Catholic priest translated a prominent Rabbi's Noahide message into English. [8] And Jєωs have stated that they should respond to Nostre Atate (Vatican II) with Noahide Law. The question is could this ever evolve into a new Noahide inquisition?!

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    [1]The Vatican (2007). COMMISSION FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS. THE DELEGATION OF THE HOLY SEE'S COMMISSION
    FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS AND THE CHIEF RABBINATE OF ISRAEL'S DELEGATION FOR RELATIONS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    BILATERAL COMMISSION MEETING. Jerusalem, March 11-13, 2007; Adar 21-23, 5767. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-Jєωs-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20070313_commissione-bilaterale_en.html

    [2]: The Vatican (2007). COMMISSION FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS. THE DELEGATION OF THE HOLY SEE'S COMMISSION
    FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS AND THE CHIEF RABBINATE OF ISRAEL'S DELEGATION FOR RELATIONS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    BILATERAL COMMISSION MEETING. Jerusalem, March 11-13, 2007; Adar 21-23, 5767. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-Jєωs-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20070313_commissione-bilaterale_en.html

    [3] His Eminence Jean–Louis Cardinal Tauran of the Pontifical Council For Inter-Religious Dialogue (2016). 'Celebrating Mercy with Believers of Other Religions'. CatholicCulture.org. 2016. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=11286

    [4] Connolly, Marshall (2016). Orthodox Rabbis issue historic statement of cooperation with Catholic Church. Catholic Online. Retrieved 02/22/2021 from: https://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=72493

    [5] Rabbi Daniel F. Polish (2016). A lever that moved the world: Catholic-Jєωιѕн relations 50 years after 'Nostra Aetate'. America: The Jesuit Review. Retrieved 02/22/2021 from: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2016/01/14/lever-moved-world-catholic-Jєωιѕн-relations-50-years-after-nostra-aetate

    [6] Dini, Elena (2017). Christians and Jєωs today: “Encounter must be face to face”. Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem. Retrieved 02/22/21 from: http://www.holysepulchre.va/content/ordineequestresantosepolcro/en/la-chiesa/notizie-dalla-chiesa-universale/cristiani-ed-ebrei-oggi---lincontro-deve-essere-faccia-a-faccia-.html

    [7] American Life League. The Position of the Jєωιѕн Faith on Abortion. EWTN. Retrieved 02/22/2021 from: https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/position-of-the-Jєωιѕн-faith-on-abortion-9581

    [8] By Chief Rabbi of Rome Riccardo Di Segni, Translation from the original Italian by Father Murray Watson. “Noah Walked with God: Jєωιѕн Universalism”. Bibbia Parola. Retrieved 02/22/21 from: http://www.bibbiaparola.org/relazioniebraicocristiane.php?a=1a&id=48

    [9] Marshall Breger and Jack Bemporad (2015). Why Haven't Jєωs Responded to Vatican II After 50 Years? The Forward. Retrieved 02/22/21 from: https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-forward-Jєωs-should-respond-to.html





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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #1 on: May 17, 2022, 12:35:28 AM »
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  • “A 50 year-old declaration of the Second Vatican Council established a new era in Christian-Jєωιѕн relations and enabled members of both religions to unite against present-day secularism, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York reflected recently.
    Nostra aetate, the council's declaration on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions, acknowledged what is true and holy in other religions, particularly Judaism, and began a period of dialogue with them.
    The declaration "has borne much fruit," remarked Cardinal Dolan May 20, at a conference celebrating the 50th anniversary of the docuмent held at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
    The declaration enabled dialogue between Christian and Jєωιѕн leaders, which spurred St. John Paul II to lead a joint response to atheism and secularism.
    The shortest of Vatican II's docuмents, Nostra aetatewas widely approved by the Council's fathers (2,221 to 88), though it met with sharp opposition from some Catholic circles for its perceived indifferentism.
    Despite this, it marked a turning point in the Church's relationships with other religions, and Jєωιѕн leaders are still marveling 50 years later at the positive effects it has produced.
    It was "nothing short of a life-saving docuмent," Rabbi Noram Morans, director of interreligious relations for the American Jєωιѕн Committee, told the conference in response to Cardinal Dolan's address. Prior to the declaration there existed a centuries-old tension between Catholics and Jєωs, marked by harrassment and violence of Jєωs for alleged deicide and scorn for them not recogizing Jesus as the Messiah.
    The welcoming tone of Nostra aetate was well received by the Jєωιѕн community, as they were now seen as the "elder brothers" to the Christians, remarked Morans.
    The docuмent was only the first step toward improving Catholic-Jєωιѕн relations, noted both Cardinal Dolan and Morans. Leaders of both religions had to put it into practice and they did exactly that. The U.S. bishops conference played a "singular role" in strengthening the relationship after Vatican II, Morans said.
    The relationship has "never been stronger," remarked Cardinal Dolan, adding it "has been remarkably successful" in the United States.
    It carries an immense importance with it today as Christians and Jєωs unite to discuss the most pressing problems for both religions. Chief among these problems is secularism, especially among the youth, Cardinal Dolan insisted, according to a Catholic News Agency report.
    The "most obvious imperative," he said, is "to reclaim the primacy of God in a world that prefers not to take him seriously, to ignore him, or even to deny him," Cardinal Dolan said. St. John Paul II put this fight against secularism at the core of the Church's post-Vatican II relationship with the Jєωs because he saw secularism as the chief enemy of the Church, and the Jєωs among her greatest allies, the cardinal added.
    Both devout Jєωs and Christians acknowledge they world they live in is "simply irreligious," Cardinal Dolan said, quoting Bl. John Henry Newman.
    What hasn't helped is the many Christians who ignore talk of sin and redemption, he said, which columnist David Brooks has pointed out in his recent work. Churches preach that everyone is "okay" without acknowledging the need for a savior and redeemer, so attendees begin to look at other ecclesial communities, particularly evangelial megachurches, that preach the need for repentance and salvation.
    If people only attended church to make friends, they would have an easier time doing it at a coffee shop or a bowling alley, Cardinal Dolan added.
    Both Catholics and Jєωs can preach the "Biblical reality that popular soothing spiritually would rather have us forget, namely sin and redemption," Cardinal Dolan said.
    "They must proclaim 'I am flawed'," he continued. "That is our forte. That's the Jєωιѕн and Christian vocabulary. That's what the prophets and the saints proclaimed."
    Other problems that both religons face are an abandonment of faith by young members once they become adults or teenagers. Cardinal Dolan related how one rabbi told him that a boy's bar mitzvah would be the last time he would attend synogogue until his son's bar mitzvah. “We Catholics have that, it's called the Sacrament of Confirmation,” he recalled jokingly.
    The problem is real and serious, he added. "We can hardly ignore their challenge," he said of the youth leaving the religion of their childhood. "It's alarm clock time for both of us."
    Another problem that unites the two religions is the international persecution of both Christians and Jєωs, Morans noted. Christians are the victims of ethnic cleansing by Islamist terrorists in the Middle East and North Africa, and anti-Semitism is making an ugly resurgence in Europe.
    These threats demand "mutual admiration and support," he added.
    The two religions have found much common ground, particularly through "mutual theological study" and a new candor between leaders over controversies that have arisen since the docuмent. Arguments that previously tore the two faiths apart now strengthen the relations like arguments between members of a family, Cardinal Dolan remarked.
    Tensions do exist. Among them, from the Jєωιѕн perspective, are the Vatican's official recognition of the state of Palestine, and the role of Venerable Pius XII in the Second World War, Morans suggested.
    However, "we have come a long way in 50 years," he admitted, and there is "too much at stake" for these tensions to divide Christians and Jєωs.”
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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #2 on: May 17, 2022, 12:51:06 AM »
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  • Thanks.  Yeah, Nostra Aetate was deplorable but I'm really wondering if the Vatican actually made a Noahide Pact.

    If so it could lead to the beheading of the likes of us.

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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #3 on: May 17, 2022, 01:53:02 AM »
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  • Miser, You don't give a link for the cartoon/text you posted.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #4 on: May 17, 2022, 02:07:55 AM »
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  • Miser, You don't give a link for the cartoon/text you posted.
    Ooops...here it is.  You have to scroll about half way down to get to the Vatican stuff:
    https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/2022/04/wordpress-shuts-down-noahide-political.html



    Here is another post from him:
    Monday, September 28, 2020
    The Vatican declares Noahide Law to be “incuмbent on all humanity” and Biblical

    SIGN THE PETITION 
    In 2007 the Vatican officially stated in two proclamations that the Noahide Laws are "incuмbent on all humanity". The Pontiff Jean–Louis Cardinal Tauran stated that it is humanity's "duty" to establish Noahide norms in society. The Vatican also states that the Noahide Laws come from the Biblical books of Genesis 9:9-12 and Acts 15:28-29... we will show below that this is not true. This means the Vatican joins the United States government (here) and the United Nations (here) in officially recognizing the Noahide Laws, adding to the Noahide agenda's list of allies.
    Vatican Declares The Noahide Laws 
    To Be "Incuмbent On All Humanity"

    Vatican says there are limits to individual human freedoms and freedom of choice is not absolute. The Noahide Laws are incuмbent on all of humanityThe Noahide Laws come from the Bible books of Genesis 9:9-12 and Acts 15:28-29.

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    God has created the human person as a social being which by definition places limits on individual human freedom. Moreover freedom of choice is derived from God and therefore is not absolute, but must reflect Divine will and law. Accordingly human beings are called to freely obey the Divine will as manifested in the Creation and in His revealed word.
    Jєωιѕн tradition emphasizes the Noachide Covenant (cf. Gn 9: 9-12) as containing. the universal moral code which is incuмbent on all humanity. This idea is reflected in Christian Scripture in the Book of Acts 15: 28-29.
    SOURCE: The Vatican (2007). COMMISSION FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS. THE DELEGATION OF THE HOLY SEE'S COMMISSION
    FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS AND THE CHIEF RABBINATE OF ISRAEL'S DELEGATION FOR RELATIONS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    BILATERAL COMMISSION MEETING. Jerusalem, March 11-13, 2007; Adar 21-23, 5767. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-Jєωs-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20070313_commissione-bilaterale_en.html
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    The Vatican says Noahide Law is incuмbent upon all of humanity and comes from the Bible book of Acts 15:28-29.

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    Jєωιѕн tradition emphasizes the Noachide Covenant (cf. Gn 9: 9-12) as containing. the universal moral code which is incuмbent on all humanity. This idea is reflected in Christian Scripture in the Book of Acts 15: 28-29.
    SOURCE: The Vatican (2007). COMMISSION FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS. THE DELEGATION OF THE HOLY SEE'S COMMISSION
    FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JєωS AND THE CHIEF RABBINATE OF ISRAEL'S DELEGATION FOR RELATIONS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    BILATERAL COMMISSION MEETING. Jerusalem, March 11-13, 2007; Adar 21-23, 5767. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-Jєωs-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20070313_commissione-bilaterale_en.html
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    Catholic Pontiff says it is a "duty" to establish Noahide norms in society

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    After the deluge and the covenant with Noah and his descendants, the road to divine goodness was opened through faithfulness to so-called “Noahic” precepts, which can be summarized with the prohibition of idolatry and violence against our neighbors, and with the duty to establish a society that is regulated according to just norms (cf. Genesis 9:1-17)
    SOURCE: His Eminence Jean–Louis Cardinal Tauran of the Pontifical Council For Inter-Religious Dialogue (2016). 'Celebrating Mercy with Believers of Other Religions'. CatholicCulture.org. 2016. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=11286
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    The Noahide Laws 
    Do Not Come From The Bible

    The Vatican stated that the Noahide Laws come from the Biblical books of Acts and Genesis, we prove below this is not true from the Bible books themselves and from scholarly Jєωιѕн sources
    Genesis does not delineate the whole of Noahide Law 

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    12 God said, “This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I set my rainbow in the cloud, and it will be a sign of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 When I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow will be seen in the cloud, 15 and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh, and the waters will no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow will be in the cloud. I will look at it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 God said to Noah, “This is the token of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is on the earth.”

    - Genesis 9:9-12
    Acts does not enumerate all the Noahide Laws
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    For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay no greater burden on you than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sɛҳuąƖ immorality, from which if you keep yourselves, it will be well with you. Farewell.”

    - Acts 15:28-29
    The Noahide Laws come from the тαℓмυd, not the Bible - 1906 Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia
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    Although only those laws which are found in the earlier chapters of the Pentateuch, before the record of the revelation at Sinai, should, it would seem, be binding upon all mankind, yet the Rabbis discarded some and, by hermeneutic rules or in accordance with some tradition (see Judah ha-Levi, “Cuzari,” iii. 73), introduced others which are not found there... Thus,the тαℓмυd frequently speaks of “the seven laws of the sons of Noah,” which were regarded as obligatory upon all mankind, in contradistinction to those that were binding upon Israelites only (Tosef., ‘Ab. Zarah, ix. 4; Sanh. 56a et seq.).
    SOURCE:  Isidore Singer, Julius H. Greenstone. "Laws, Noachian". 1906 Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: http://Jєωιѕнencyclopedia.com/articles/9679-laws-noachian
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    Jєωιѕн Scholar confirms the Noahide Law do not come from the Bible but Jєωιѕн tradition

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    Moses Mendelssohn, a Jєωιѕн philosopher and major figure in the Jєωιѕн enlightenment... Mendelssohn added that the Noahide laws are seemingly not learned by exegesis – there is no clear-cut Biblical reference to them – but only through the Jєωιѕн tradition.
    SOURCE: Jonathan L. Milevsky (2015). 'CAN NON-JєωS ACHIEVE ETERNAL BLISS?'. Canadian Jєωιѕн News. November 14, 2015. Retrieved 09/28/2020 from: https://www.cjnews.com/featured/Jєωιѕн-learning/can-non-Jєωs-achieve-eternal-bliss

    https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/search?q=vatican


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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #5 on: May 17, 2022, 05:54:52 AM »
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  • This person describes himself as an American hindu, interestingly with an Italian name! I don’t know how much he understands of how the Catholic Church operates, but by perusing his writings, I suspect little.

    Most of his links are forbidden or for some reason or other unavailable. I’d ignore him.
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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #6 on: May 18, 2022, 12:07:33 AM »
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  • The Vatican issued a Mitzvot stamp commemorating the 613 тαℓмυdic commandments.  Correct me if I'm wrong because I can't remember where I found the info to link it, but I believe those commandments include the killing of Christians.

    So it wouldn't surprise me if they made a Noahide Pact.

    They are getting more blatant because they know nobody understands what Noahide Laws really are.  It fits too with the fact that the Church will be sold out and undergo passion and death by their own people in imitation of Christ.

    The Noahide Laws are getting incorporated in small towns all over the US. 

    I suspect homesteading prepper advocate Owen Benjamin is a Noahide as well.  I asked him to ask E Michael Jones about Noahide when he interviewed him and he responded that it wasn't time to address that now and maybe at a later time.  He claims he is a Christian and rejects sodomy but has rejected the Trinity and is advocating for seeing the good in Muslim ideology---so it's all lining up with Noahide.

    That's the thing though, why do Jєωs promote sodomy but reject it according to Noahide law?  I don't understand that part.  Maybe Mark79 knows?


    Voris and both Lifesite News and LifeNews have all promoted Noahide Law as well.  Do they not realize Noahide means the beheading of Christians?  Do their readers?


    Anyway, some links:

    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2021/08/vatican-issues-stamp-commemorating-613.html


    https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/search?q=life+site


    https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/2019/06/lifesitenews-goes-noahide.html

    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/12/church-militant-promotes-seven-noahide.html


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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #7 on: May 18, 2022, 03:25:49 AM »
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  • Francis is onboard with the noahide program of The Elijah Interfaith Institute


    This video was made under the auspices of The Elijah Interfaith Institute.  This institute was founded in 1996 by the the crypto-haredi rabbi, Alon Goshen-Gottstein who specializes in тαℓмυd, Jєωιѕн thought, and interreligious dialogue; and is financed by the the UNESCO agency of the United Nations.  It is headquartered in Jerusalem and its purpose is to make good noahides out of all the myriad of religions in the world. 

    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-is-onboard-with-noahide-program.html



    So the Lucifer Trust UN wants to make good Noahides out of all the religions of the world?

    Welp, I'd rather get beheaded as a martyr for the faith than become a cyborg slave on a blockchain ledger.  :P


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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #8 on: May 18, 2022, 07:45:37 AM »
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  • ... That's the thing though, why do Jєωs promote sodomy but reject it according to Noahide law?  I don't understand that part.  Maybe Mark79 knows? ...
    Here it is from Mark 79: http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #9 on: May 18, 2022, 06:34:42 PM »
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  • Here it is from Mark 79: http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

    Thanks.  I'm wondering what exactly are the sex laws under Noahide.  Do they condemn sodomy?

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    Re: Vatican-Noahide Pact
    « Reply #10 on: May 18, 2022, 06:35:14 PM »
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  • Dr Zev Zelenko also promotes Noahide:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/HmCWg4GAcvRR/