Author Topic: Vatican issues new docuмent on Christian-Jєωιѕн dialogue (Read 5491 times)

2Vermont · « **on:** December 10, 2015, 04:08:11 PM »

"The Gifts and Calling of God are irrevocable"

http://www.news.va/en/news/vatican-issues-new-docuмent-on-christian-Jєωιѕн-di

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2015, 05:42:15 PM »

The only problem is that most Jєωs have rejected the gifts and ignore the calling.

The few Jєωs who have accepted Jesus as the Messias and have converted to the Catholic Faith will receive the gifts and have embraced the call.

Of course, the Modernists don't mean it this way, but they are the scuм of the earth.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2015, 06:05:34 PM »

There will be absolutely no peace among men and in the world until
the Jєωs are converted to the true religion.
An example is all the candidates for President for 2016 have
heavy Jєωιѕн backing except for Trump. That means
a major war is coming.

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2015, 06:21:34 PM »

The ultimate Jєωιѕн plan to destroy Christianity is merciless unraveling at an astonishing speed in font of our eyes. No need to be discreet about the "infiltration" of marranos any longer. The Jєωιѕн emancipation has been long completed, and now a Judaizing global new era has begun at full throttle.

Saint Peter Arbues, Jєω inquisitor, ora pro nobis!

McCork · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2015, 06:25:06 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

The ultimate Jєωιѕн plan to destroy Christianity is merciless unraveling at an astonishing speed in font of our eyes. No need to be discreet about the "infiltration" of marranos any longer. The Jєωιѕн emancipation has been long completed, and now a Judaizing new era has begun at full speed.

Saint Peter Arbues, Jєω inquisitor, pray for us!

The man you call "Holy Father" is one of them.

Cantarella · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2015, 06:31:32 PM »

Quote from: McCork

Quote from: Cantarella

The ultimate Jєωιѕн plan to destroy Christianity is merciless unraveling at an astonishing speed in font of our eyes. No need to be discreet about the "infiltration" of marranos any longer. The Jєωιѕн emancipation has been long completed, and now a Judaizing global new era has begun at full throttle.

Saint Peter Arbues, Jєω inquisitor, ora pro nobis!

The man you call "Holy Father" is one of them.

So what does "McCork" propose we do?

McCork · « **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2015, 06:43:25 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Quote from: McCork
Quote from: Cantarella

The ultimate Jєωιѕн plan to destroy Christianity is merciless unraveling at an astonishing speed in font of our eyes. No need to be discreet about the "infiltration" of marranos any longer. The Jєωιѕн emancipation has been long completed, and now a Judaizing global new era has begun at full throttle.

Saint Peter Arbues, Jєω inquisitor, ora pro nobis!

The man you call "Holy Father" is one of them.

So what does "McCork" propose we do?

Sit around and wait for "Cantarella" to comment on my last response.

Nishant · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2015, 09:45:57 AM »

Goodness gracious. The docuмent is terrible. Another example of the evil fruits of modern "ecuмenism" without boundaries. It mentions the explicit-implicit faith controversy and tries to invoke this in favor of salvation for Jєωs,

"While affirming salvation through an explicit or even implicit faith in Christ, the Church does not question the continued love of God for the chosen people of Israel ... That the Jєωs are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly, is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery."

No, it isn't. The leaders of the Church need to get their act together and solemnly define the doctrine already taught in the Athanasian Creed that there is no salvation without the Catholic Faith and explicit faith in Christ. The docuмent cites St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, "Jesus Christ is the universal mediator of salvation, and that there is no “other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved” (Acts 4:12) but does not draw the logical and necessary conclusion, instead waffling with sentimental modernspeak. His crystal clear teaching, the unanimous interpretation of the Church Fathers, and the universal Christian understanding for over 1500 years should be invoked to settle the matter. A solemn definition that puts an end to error on implicit faith once and for all is one of the most important steps the Church should take in undermining the damage caused by the pastoral praxis of liberal ecuмenism following Vatican II.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2015, 10:39:36 AM »

Bergoglio and his ilk are tools of Satan, unwittingly or not. Instead of preaching about "climate change," perhaps he should open up his Bible and Catechism - Trent, not the satanic "new" one.

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son hath the Father also." --1 John 2:23

TKGS · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2015, 11:39:13 AM »

My daughter was watching an EWTN show one time years ago in which Pope Ratzinger was saying that Jєωs can be saved through the Old Testament Law. She was horrified. She said that Jєωs have absolutely no chance of salvation if that is the case because they have no temple for their sacrifice and no Levitical priests to offer the sacrifice even if, somehow, they rebuilt their temple!

Charlemagne · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2015, 11:47:06 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

My daughter was watching an EWTN show one time years ago in which Pope Ratzinger was saying that Jєωs can be saved through the Old Testament Law. She was horrified. She said that Jєωs have absolutely no chance of salvation if that is the case because they have no temple for their sacrifice and no Levitical priests to offer the sacrifice even if, somehow, they rebuilt their temple!

But they have the American ~~Knesset~~ Congress to do their bidding, and they think that's good enough.

Cantarella · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2015, 01:08:01 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

My daughter was watching an EWTN show one time years ago in which Pope Ratzinger was saying that Jєωs can be saved through the Old Testament Law. She was horrified. She said that Jєωs have absolutely no chance of salvation if that is the case because they have no temple for their sacrifice and no Levitical priests to offer the sacrifice even if, somehow, they rebuilt their temple!

That is the Heresy of Dual-Covenant Theology which is based upon the notion, now regnant in liberal Judaizer circles, that the Old Covenant still stands side-by-side with the New Covenant. According to this novelty, in essence, God’s "A Plan" and God’s "B Plan" are both currently pleasing to Him and both fully in effect. Opposed to this, the Catholic Faith teaches that the Old Law, itself good, holy, and of divine origin, was a preparation for the New, and that the New Law superceded and fulfilled the Old.

http://catholicism.org/the-heresy-of-dual-covenant-theology.html

Cantarella · « **Reply #12 on:** December 11, 2015, 01:42:39 PM »

Quote from: Nishant

No, it isn't. The leaders of the Church need to get their act together and solemnly define the doctrine already taught in the Athanasian Creed that there is no salvation without the Catholic Faith and explicit faith in Christ. The docuмent cites St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, "Jesus Christ is the universal mediator of salvation, and that there is no “other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved” (Acts 4:12) but does not draw the logical and necessary conclusion, instead waffling with sentimental modernspeak. His crystal clear teaching, the unanimous interpretation of the Church Fathers, and the universal Christian understanding for over 1500 years should be invoked to settle the matter. A solemn definition that puts an end to error on implicit faith once and for all is one of the most important steps the Church should take in undermining the damage caused by the pastoral praxis of liberal ecuмenism following Vatican II.

Unfortunately and most surprisingly, a vast majority of "Traditionalists", adhere to the ʝʊdɛօ - Masonic driven heresy of Salvation by Implicit Faith even with much more enthusiasm than their Novus Ordo counterparts. They hide behind the mask of "Baptism of Desire", as they call it nowadays. The ultimate Jєωιѕн aim is the dilution of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The XX century campaign has been to eradicate the belief on the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation so the people of false religions can attain Heaven without conversion. This is the root of Interfaith. They (triumphant Jєωιѕн Left) have been quite sucesssful thanks to the in -Church Judaizers' collaboration.

Arvinger · « **Reply #13 on:** December 11, 2015, 07:41:15 PM »

This sentence from that heretical docuмent sums up its whole message perfectly:

"That the Jєωs are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly, is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery."

Well, if you are a modernist and your heresies go against what the Church taught for 2000 years, there is always appeal to "divine mystery"

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2Vermont · « **Reply #14 on:** December 11, 2015, 07:47:04 PM »

Quote from: Arvinger

This sentence from that heretical docuмent sums up its whole message perfectly:

"That the Jєωs are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly, is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery."

Well, if you are a modernist and your heresies go against what the Church taught for 2000 years, there is always appeal to "divine mystery" .

How anyone can claim that this is not outright heresy is beyond me. But I'm sure the Voris', Fr Z's and Jimmy Aiken's of the Conciliar world will find a way to show that we're just not interpreting it correctly!