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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Dawn on June 18, 2009, 07:42:36 AM

Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: Dawn on June 18, 2009, 07:42:36 AM
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: Dawn on June 18, 2009, 07:43:23 AM: Excuse the type, I meant bow down to Satan.
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: trent13 on June 18, 2009, 03:32:45 PM: Wow, there are no limits - I am shocked and amazed that traditionalists actually believe Ratzinger is "coming around."
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: DeMaistre on June 18, 2009, 06:57:26 PM: This is outrageous! Inexcusable. Apostate. Whatever you want to call it. I'm currently endeavoring learning my own native language more so that I can translate "Preparation for Death" into Vietnamese and maybe write my own anti-Communist, pro-traditional Catholic "Mein Kamf" so to speak. Its disgusting how these men don't even care about the Faith.
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: Prodinoscopus on June 18, 2009, 07:14:05 PM: DeMaistre,

Aren't the underground Catholics in China fiercely loyal to Pope Benedict XVI? If so, why do you care if they are assimilated to the counterfeit "patriotic" church? What difference does it make?
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: Prodinoscopus on June 18, 2009, 07:20:21 PM: I mean, isn't Cardinal Zen just another apostate follower of an apostate, heretic anti-pope? I don't see why any honest sede would shed crocodile tears for the underground Catholic Church in China. Let's at least be consistent.
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: Prodinoscopus on June 18, 2009, 07:24:26 PM: Quote from: Prodinoscopus
I mean, isn't Cardinal Zen just another apostate follower of an apostate, heretic anti-pope? I don't see why any honest sede would shed crocodile tears for the underground Catholic Church in China. Let's at least be consistent.

(http://www.asianews.it/files/img/HONG_KONG_-_0701_-_Zen.jpg)
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: Prodinoscopus on June 18, 2009, 07:41:49 PM: Quote from: Dawn
Popes should lead the Martyrs to Christ, not force Martyrs to bow down to Satan.

You don't really believe that the followers of Cardinal Zen are martyrs, do you? Cardinal Zen is a follower of the man whom you have identified as an apostate, heretic anti-pope. Any follower of his cannot even be called a "Catholic", much less a "Martyr". Don't you agree?

One advantage of not being a sede is that I can recognize Cardinal Zen for the hero that he is.

:cheers:

Nevertheless, I think that Dawn's main point is worth considering, i.e., that Benedict XVI is selling Cardinal Zen down the river. Benedict XVI wasn't above throwing Bishop Williamson under the train to please his bosom buddies in the rabbinate. Nothing would surprise me.
Title: Vatican Insists: Chinese Catholics Must Merge
Post by: DeMaistre on June 18, 2009, 08:39:52 PM: Quote from: Prodinoscopus
DeMaistre,

Aren't the underground Catholics in China fiercely loyal to Pope Benedict XVI? If so, why do you care if they are assimilated to the counterfeit "patriotic" church? What difference does it make?

Its the spirit behind the actions. Why should I be surprised though, Westerners have never given a damn about the church in Asia. Only a few noble souls now and then, but for the most part, they just leave us in the situation we are in now. Also, its not the fault of the Chinese/Vietnamese Catholics, its not like you Westerners care enough to bring news of the crisis in the Church to them.