you maintain the NO idea you wholly accepted and have yet to rid from yourself, that idea being that you equate the pope to the Church - that *is* NO.
I have been listening to your “snappy” comebacks for a while now. You are so confident that you are right you must be basing your opinion on the immutable truth of Dogma.
Can you explain what it is you actually mean above and what Dogma you base it off of?
This is not based off any particular defined dogma.
You deny that heretics are not in the Church. This is infallible. You also deny that you don't have to be obedient to the Pope. This is infallible.
Here again, this has been explained repeatedly to you - and more especially, it was thoroughly and beautifully explained by Drew.
Can you demonstrate from anywhere besides from those associated to the SSPX and Fr. Wathen, that a) heretics are in the Church and b) that you don’t have to be obedient to a valid Pope in all things that he commands pertaining to the welfare of the Church?
We've already beat this horse to death. For a), Drew already explained it - all I could do is say the same thing he did, except my reply would probably be 5 times longer and not be anywhere near as clear as his.
For b) We've beat this one to death as well. It is a fundamental Catholic principle of our faith that our duty to obey all of our superiors, including the pope's wishes and commands, is wholly dependent upon our superiors', including the popes' duty to command us to do only those things which are not displeasing to God.
Your conundrum comes from imagining that a pope is incapable of wanting the faithful to do anything which is displeasing to God, that God would never permit a pope to suggest or teach anything that might lead souls to hell, nor would He permit a pope to make any effort to destroy His Church. And that's where you stop. You go no further. You cannot see past this. There is something within you that blinds you from seeing anything further, that makes you insist those in disagreement with you are wrong - meanwhile the actual truth of the matter is, your thinking which is shared with others, actually is blatant insanity in light of what actually happened, in light of the reality of the Church post V2.
To repeat Drew - all you are doing is making the pope the rule of faith.
Can you show me exactly how I am making the “pope the rule of faith” and what Church teachings I am disregarding?
To show you how you are making the pope your rule of faith, all you need to do is answer this simple question I already asked: "To quote Fr. Wathen - "The doctrine of papal infallibility, by stating in what respect the pope cannot err, admits, in effect, that in all other areas of his vast prerogatives the pope is completely fallible."
Can you accept this?"
If you answer no, the reason is because you make the pope your rule of faith.
Denz.1976: “But the true church is one, One in unity of doctrine as in unity of government and this Catholic, such is the Church; and since God has established that its center and foundation be in the Chair of Peter, it is rightly called Roman; for "where Peter is, there is the Church." * Therefore, whoever wishes to be called by the name of Catholic, ought truly to heed the words of Jerome to Pope Damasus: "I who follow no one as first except Christ, associate myself in communion with your Beatitude, that is, with the Chair of Peter; upon that Rock, I know the Church is built [Matt. 16:18]; . . . whoever gathereth not with thee scattereth" * [Matt. 12:30].”
From this quote above please answer the following.
Can you tell me how you have a unity of doctrine and government with the man occupying the Chair of Peter, whom you call a heretic?
If Francis is Peter, is he where the Church is?
Is Francis the center and foundation of the Catholic Church?
Do you gather with Francis as St. Jerome says he does and are you in communion with Francis as St. Jerome says he is with the Chair of Peter and how?
If your answer is "no" to any of these questions, please provide a Magisterial source to back up your claims. If you can't, you must admit that you are a follower of man and not GOD.
This exchange is really quite phenomenal. Why do you consistently selectively quote? - in this case it's Pope Leo XIII? Do you not see that you take what he said completely out of context? That by the pope being your rule of faith you have left out the Church? - literally?
Here, read the whole quote.....
"But the true church is one, as by unity of doctrine, so by unity of government, and she is catholic also. Since God has placed the center and foundation of unity in the chair of Blessed Peter, she is rightly called the Roman Church, for "where Peter is, there is the church." Wherefore, if anybody wishes to be considered a real Catholic, he ought to be able to say from his heart the selfsame words which Jerome addressed to Pope Damasus: "I, acknowledging no other leader than Christ, am bound in fellowship with Your Holiness; that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that the church was built upon him as its rock, and that whosoever gathereth not with you, scattereth."
Your entire focus is entirely biased unto sedevacantism because reading it as a Catholic, this entire quote condemns sedevacantism.
"if anybody wishes to be considered a real Catholic, he ought to be able to say from his heart the selfsame words which Jerome addressed to Pope Damasus....." sedevacantists certainly do not say what St. Jerome said - so what does that make them?